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To: Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
...courts have made the law up as they've gone along, completing mucking up Establishment Clause jurisprudence...

Well said, but Mr. Limbaugh has previously concluded that we are bound to obey the unconstitutional rulings of these rogue courts. If that's the case, what recourse do we have as freedom-loving citizens?

2 posted on 08/29/2003 9:25:41 AM PDT by sheltonmac (1775: "Give me liberty, or give me death!" -- 2003: "Thank you, sir, may I have another?")
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To: sheltonmac
AMENDMENT ONE Americans disapprove of federal court orderto remove 10 Commandments (77%!!)

Congress, the Court, and the Constitution congressional testimony instructing Congress to force the federal Courts into compliance with the Constitution.

Removing federal jurisdiction:

Removing federal judges:

Interposition

 

3 posted on 08/29/2003 9:34:13 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: sheltonmac
Contact the 260 RERESENTATIVES that voted AGAINST the UNLAWFUL court order (Federalism) about the above actions.
4 posted on 08/29/2003 9:39:42 AM PDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS
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To: sheltonmac
 

A clashing of principles and jurisdictions


Posted: August 23, 2003

"Undeniably, the federal constitution's Supremacy Clause makes the federal constitution and constitutional federal laws supreme over state constitutions and laws and binding on state judges."
-Lindbaugh-



Good find. Obviously, the man is a confused idiot, as he got it right the first time, as above.
13 posted on 08/29/2003 10:18:01 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator!)
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To: sheltonmac
"Mr. Limbaugh has previously concluded that we are bound to obey the unconstitutional rulings of these rogue courts."

Is that because if we object to illegal laws, they (ruling elite) will find a way to kill us?
35 posted on 08/31/2003 9:34:02 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get)
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To: sheltonmac; JohnHuang2; MadIvan; TonyInOhio; MeeknMing; itreei; jd792; Molly Pitcher; muggs; ...
From limbs article

On the other hand, our liberties also depend on two other very important concepts that are at issue in this case. The Framers believed that our Constitution was grounded in the principles of the Christian religion and that without that foundation neither our Constitution nor the liberty it guarantees could survive. Justice Moore is fighting laudably to preserve that tradition.

The Framers also believed that liberty could best be achieved and sustained through a system of federalism – which they quite specifically established, dividing governmental power between the federal and state governments. To be sure, they made the federal government supreme as to those matters on which they conferred it authority – but the 10th Amendment expressly reserved the balance to the individual states.

Justice Moore is aware that the federal courts have egregiously exceeded their authority, usurping power properly reserved to the states. He is fighting to preserve the principle of federalism in furtherance of the cause of liberty.

Here's where it gets messy. The First Amendment contains two religion clauses, the Establishment Clause: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"; and the Free Exercise Clause: "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The federal courts have ordered Justice Moore to remove the monument on the grounds that it constitutes an unconstitutional establishment of religion.

Their ruling is flawed on a number of grounds, but unfortunately seems to follow the precedent of earlier lamentable Supreme Court decisions. As you can see, the Establishment Clause, on its face, prohibits only the U.S. Congress from "establishing" a religion. Sadly, the Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the Establishment Clause is also applicable to state governments through incorporation in the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment.

But the 14th Amendment was never intended to make the federal Establishment Clause binding on the states. Nor did the Framers intend that the Establishment prevent the federal government, much less the states, from all support for religion.

Supreme Court Chief Justice Joseph Story wrote, "Thus, the whole power over the subject of religion was left exclusively to State governments, to be acted on according to their own sense of justice and the State Constitutions." And, "Probably, at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, and of the (First Amendment), the general, if not universal, sentiment in America was that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the State, so far as such encouragement was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship. An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation."

The federal courts have greatly eroded states rights and religious freedoms through renegade decisions in the most cynical tradition of judicial activism. So while our federal law is certainly entitled to supremacy, at what point do citizens stand up and say that federal courts have claimed supremacy in areas over which they were never given authority? What can be done about their obscene misinterpretations of the Constitution?

36 posted on 08/31/2003 11:16:21 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK ("There are none so blind who will not see")
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