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ArnoldGovernor.net ^ | 8.29.2003 | Jagrmeister

Posted on 08/29/2003 1:18:28 AM PDT by jagrmeister

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To: Tamsey
Back at you.

Lets drown out the shrills on boths side of this one.
121 posted on 08/29/2003 11:51:36 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (SELECT * FROM liberals WHERE clue > 0 .............................................. 0 rows returned)
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To: jagrmeister
Bustamonte and Huffington have admitted they'll try to balance the budget on the backs of smokers; where does Arnold stand on tobacco taxes? He didn't say.

There are 4 MILLION DISENFRANCHISED citizens who smoke in The People's Republik of Kalifornia and every year we pay $1,074,322,864 in excise taxes, $ 333,410,544 in sales taxes, $700,000,000 for Rob Reiner's Playground 913,332,154 for the $ettlement. That works out to around $4,413 A MINUTE!

In addition, approximately 27,873 Californians hold jobs related to the sale or distribution of tobacco products. Those jobs result in an additional $45.8 million to the state in personal and corporate income taxes.

And guess what: California smokers' median income in 2001 was $35,620! If that's not punishing the poor, I don't know what is! Particularly when you realize all that money is being used for everyone's benefit.

Democrat Herb Wesson's proposal to increase the tax on a pack of cigarettes to $3 as a way of balancing this year’s budget made front-page news. A pack of cigarettes would cost more than $7 and the tax would raise $1.7 billion to further decrease the state debt. Suuuure, it would. What it would REALLY do is create a thriving black market and another means by which to make criminals of otherwise honest citizens. Bleccch.

Oh, what a tangled web...

So let's hear Arnold say NO NEW TAXES ON SMOKERS!"

122 posted on 08/29/2003 12:10:41 PM PDT by Max McGarrity (Anti-smokers--still the bullies in the playground they always were.)
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To: jagrmeister; All
I hope you're not as discouraged as I am by the kind of response your appeal has received.

From the outset, I opposed the recall effort because, 1) since the Democrats made this mess, they should sit in it, they all should pay the price for it in the next regular election; and 2) because I feared it would start a cycle of recimination -- how soon after the election of a Republican governor will we see the Democrats start their own recall petition?

But over the past couple of weeks of threads on the recall, what I've witnessed are pragmatic conservatives who want to get Gray Davis out, and are willing to accept half-a-loaf to do so, butting heads with the ivory tower conservatives who argue (understandably) that we should all vote for the most pristine conservative, regardless of his electability. And you can see it in the posts of those who oppose Arnold -- they just don't oppose him, they hate him! These recall debates have turned into more of a war among Freepers. So, what I fear now is that the unintended result of the recall will be the Republican Party of California further tearing itself apart, and being more battered and ineffective than it was before the recall began.

And I fear this "Arnold War" will spill over into Bush's reelection next year, with the hardcore ivory tower conservatives refusing to help in his reelection because Bush isn't "conservative enough" for their tastes.

In short, the recall, which should have been an opportunity for Republican unity, is turning into a slow death by a thousand self-inflicted cuts.

126 posted on 08/29/2003 12:49:36 PM PDT by My2Cents ("I'm the party pooper..." -- Arnold in "Kindergarten Cop.")
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To: jagrmeister
Prediction: the Democrats will dig up so much factually true, but very nasty stuff on Arnold, that he will be forced to withdraw from the race. Bob Mulholland is the king of dirt digging, and Arnold has a huge pile of it in his background.
132 posted on 08/29/2003 12:59:26 PM PDT by Russell Scott (Without massive intervention from Heaven, America doesn't have a prayer.)
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To: jfritsch
... Probably because they can't find any dirt on McClintock.

You are dim enough to believe that, aren't you?

134 posted on 08/29/2003 1:16:07 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: jfritsch
Visit a McClintock thread and see the contributions made to the keywords by Arnold supporters. Or is that kind of 'keyword abuse' okay with you?

I would have hoped you knew me better than that by now. I don't believe McClintock can pull enough numbers to win this race, but I think we have a shot at getting him in the Senate down the road... imagine how that can help our whole country :-) I strongly disagree with any McClintock bashing and have said so on numerous occasions.

135 posted on 08/29/2003 1:18:33 PM PDT by Tamzee (Finish your beer. There are sober people in India.)
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To: Russell Scott
You know what? If Arnie is forced out, McC will still lose, and I believe that so firmly, I will vote against the recall and stay with greyout until the next election. bustamecha is unacceptable. McC ain't got an icecube's chance. You gotta deal with it.
136 posted on 08/29/2003 1:19:56 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: jfritsch
Awwww, deal with it.

Go Arnie

139 posted on 08/29/2003 3:12:16 PM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 0311, 68-69)
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To: 68 grunt
68 grunt in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/971628/posts?page=653#653

Dude, I'd never vote for any demoncrat, and I think by voting for Junior, I did kinda vote for a liberal. Don't you get that? No, were it between a liberal and a social conservative, I'd hold my nose and vote for the social conservative.

68 grunt in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/972547/posts?page=136#136

You know what? If Arnie is forced out, McC will still lose, and I believe that so firmly, I will vote against the recall and stay with greyout until the next election.

68 grunt in http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/971628/posts?page=114#114

Social conservatives are destroying this country worse than the lying liberals.

Lucy, you got sum 'splainin' to do.

Hb

140 posted on 08/29/2003 3:39:16 PM PDT by Hoverbug (whadda ya mean, "we don't get parachutes"!?!)
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