Warning – Serious Item! U10 Commandmensts judge Moore is an egomaniacal huckster)

ESPN Page 2 ^ | August 26, 2003 | Gregg Easterbrook

[Jim Robinson]

1789 is even farther removed.

[lugsoul]

Just a clarification - when he spoke of God, he meant the Trinity - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The God of the Holy Scriptures, as he stated.

[Tribune7]

God who commanded "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" -

Are you saying this God doesn't exist?

building in order to acknowledge that God - is also the ONLY God who is gracious enough to allow His children to worship Vishnu, or Buddha.

Actually the command is that His children should love those who worship Vishnu or Buddha.

[quidnunc]

Jim Robinson wrote: By the way, the atheists are tinkering with it every damned day (plagiarized). Our system has degraded light years from 1889.

That should be 1789; made the correction in a subsequent post.

Lets see, we've eliminated slavery, child labor, Jim Crow and trusts just to name a few of the many ways in which society has advanced.

So how has this degraded our system?

[Tribune7]

We agree on the facts, remember.

"Americans are free to worship other Gods

Judge Moore.

[Tribune7]

"Now, concerning the meat of the argument, this rock inscribed with words and images is no different than anything other publically funded rock inscribed with words and images" . . .This statement is in direct conflict with Judge Roy's sworn testimony about the Rock.

So leaving your personal feelings about Judge Moore aside, you now agree that the public artwork should stay?

[Jim Robinson]

I believe the founders had great faith in God. They spoke of Him often. They prayed for his guidance at every crucial point during the revolution and the founding of our country. They may have made many compromises along the way, but, as far as I can tell, they always maintained their faith in God.

[Jim Robinson]

Removing God is degrading. As is eroding away our freedoms in every other area.

[tpaine]

I think maybe we had better not tinker with a system which has served us well since 1789.
-quid-



I think the system served us very well between 1889 and 1962. Since then our courts have been a disaster. They came very close to destroying this country three years ago.
-T7-


Both of you may be forgeting one of the main reasons the system failed once before.

In 1833, the Barron decision said that states did NOT have to honor our supreme Law of the Land, the Constitution/BOR's.
After a bloody civil war, this decision was corrected by the 14th amendment.

Now, -- this 'states rights' view of our republic is again on the rise:

The Courts vs. the Constitution
Address:http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/971891/posts

[lugsoul]

"The atheists and the courts are removing God from our lives as quickly and thoroughly as humanly possible."

Hyperbole. Cite to a single court decision in which "God" or any vestige of God was required to be removed from any private sector facility, institution, or event.

I used to think that people who identified themselves as conservative had both scorn and fear of government power. It is remarkable the extent to which persons who would adopt such a view about most things will run headlong into the loving embrace of government where their precious faith is concerned. No surprise that the persons most guilty of this are almost invariably identified with a majority religion.

Most of the Founders were smart enough to understand this, and said so explicitly in discussing the First Amendment.

[lugsoul]

No. We do not agree. I contend that Americans are free to worship other Gods because, like Christians, they have a Constitutional right guaranteed under the First Amendment to do so. You and Judge Moore think that the right to worship other gods comes only from your God, the one who proclaimed "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me."

[cornelis]

The public and private intersects. There is no content neutral view in either. When a judge decides an issue, views of God--for or against--influence his decision. Government neutrality is a fiction and we all know it.

The diplay of the ten commandments is a dangeorus thing to many because they prefer the pretense that by the absence visible symbols politicians and lawyers can keep their presuppositional views of God incognito.

[lugsoul]

It is not public artwork. Not according to the man who put it there.

It is remarkable that so many people will so readily discard the whole idea of intent on this issue. Intent is a fundamental characteristic of our most basic law. Without intent, there would be no distinction between murder and self-defense. Without intent, there would be no distinction between burning a flag to dispose of it and burning a flag to express hatred for the U.S.

Intent matters under the law of the land, and under the law of God. The Tenth Commandment is about nothing but intent.

[philetus]

Say, can I join your church? I would like to worship the holy federal government too.

[lugsoul]

And they always maintained that they should not allow the power of government to be used to enforce the tenets of their faith.

[jwalsh07]

So how has this degraded our system?

7 out of every ten children born in urban America are fatherless.

40 million children have been killed in the womb since 1973.

Justice Kennedy tells me that homosexuality is deserving of the utmost respect in contradiction to all major religions of the world.

The Ninth Circuit has oredered the cessation of the Pledge of Allegaince with the words "under God" included.

The Eleventh Circuit has oredered the cessation of VOLUNTARY prayer at the evening meals at a public institution.

The fed circuit court in Texas has ordered high school football players not to pray before games.

The public schools are rife with bananas, prophylactics and "alternative lifestyles".

Illegal immigration is out of control.

The Ten Commandments are becoming verboten in the public square.

The kid at the store has to use a calculator when I buy something for 99 cents and I give her a dollar to figure out how much change I get.

The government takes half my money without so much as a thank you.

For twenty years, prior to Bush, the jihadists used Americans for target practice without ever once paying a price.

Yeah, everything is simply hunky dory.

[Tribune7]

A swinging pendulum is usually not a good thing. David Limbaugh epressed a fear of backlash on WND a few days ago. The best thing our courts could do is to limit themselves. I really don't want to see judicial review ended.

OTOH, the behavior of the Florida court in 2000 and the unwillingness of the SCOTUS to condemn them or even gently note it overstepped its bounds, still scares me.

[Happy2BMe]

Judge Roy Moore and The Ten Commandments Monument - A Timeline (ACLU Prompted Removal)

Dr. James Dobson: "We're Not Going To The Back of The Bus"

BREAKING - Mississippi Governor Ronald Musgrove Offers To Take Unwanted 10 Commandents From Alabama

When will Moore's monument be moved? (Who will replace Judge Moore?)

Stealth Move Against the Chief Justice (10 Commandments)

Supporters Intend to Resist Removal of Ten Commandments

The Beginning of Woes for Judge Roy Moore - What Started It All - The Ten Commandments Monument

How judge's stand resonates in Bible Belt

Oct. 4th, 1982 - 97th Congress Proclaimed "Year of The Bible" - Twenty Years Later What Has Changed?

[bjs1779]

Hyperbole. Cite to a single court decision in which "God" or any vestige of God was required to be removed from any private sector facility, institution, or event.

What is that pesky government IRS rule about private churches speaking out about politics my 1st amendment friend?

[Happy2BMe]

"What is that pesky government IRS rule about private churches speaking out about politics my 1st amendment friend?"

Can you quote it? Let's take a look at it.