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The Truth About What's Happening In Iraq
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| 8/28/03
| Bob Lonsberry
Posted on 08/28/2003 6:23:09 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: pgyanke
Just keep saying I am a kook long enough till you beat down that love of liberty streak you may have once had.
The bar you set for determining competencey in government is strikingly low so I see where you are coming from.
Props to you, you are far more cynical about the federalis than I could ever be!
See my tagline.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:17:25 AM PDT
by
JohnGalt
(Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
To: JohnGalt
You are just looking for an argument or you are very stupid. Either way, our conversation is at an end today. May God bless you.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:18:38 AM PDT
by
pgyanke
(Christianity, if false, is unimportant and, if true, of infinite importance. - C.S. Lewis)
To: JohnGalt; Poohbah
To be quite blunt, the Vietnam War was lost here, NOT on the battlefields. We won it there - pounded the VC and NVA. Problem was, folks like YOU were not willing to see things through. As a result, we left the job undone, and we saw what happened as a result.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:20:38 AM PDT
by
hchutch
(The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
To: w_over_w
Excellent quote, w_over_w.
Some things seem to never change.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:20:43 AM PDT
by
SAMWolf
(I'm So miserable Without You, It's Like Having You Here)
To: JohnGalt
>>You seem awfully willing to put someone else's kid in harms way in an effort to abdicate your responsibility to protect your liberties and the liberties of your child. <<
I have a very well trained niece, who is like a second mother to my younger daughter and is the one I quote.
Those "kids" know what they are doing and are very prepared to fight to the death to protect my children, who cannot protect themselves.
You however would rather be judgemental. Come to my daughter's school and talk to the parents who are from Selfridge AFB. You will see that mother missing father, father missing mother or child, all are proud of those willing to defend your freedom to not support their mission.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:21:19 AM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
To: hchutch
I wasn't born yet, but I realize in your world, it all makes perfect sense.
Where can I get that stuff you have been smoking?
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:23:54 AM PDT
by
JohnGalt
(Vichycons-- Supporting Endless War Abroad; Appeasing the Welfare State at Home, Since 2001)
To: Travis McGee
You got it! I'm all for soldiers taking on the terrorists rather than the terrorists taking on unarmed civilians.
I'm having a current "debate" with Freeper Austin Willard Wright about the number of US and allied soldiers who died in post-war Germany. The Library of Congress is currently researching my request but knowing the bureauracracy, it will take months to get an answer.
After watching a recent History Channel show devoted to the topic of how Hitler supporters killed our soldiers post-war, I have made the analogy that it's a good thing people like Austin Willard Wright wasn't around at that time because we would have pulled out of Europe post haste. We then would not have the allies we have there now (such as they are) because Stalin would have moved in and forever changed the landscape there.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:24:02 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
IIRC, the last murder attributed to a resistance effort was in 1949--after that, it was all the usual "he owed me money" or "he hit on my Fraulein" stuff.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:26:14 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
To: JohnGalt
Not smoking anything.
I'd ask you that question, but I don't smoke.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:26:54 AM PDT
by
hchutch
(The National League needs to adopt the designated hitter rule.)
To: netmilsmom
I got a buddy I played 7 years of football, high school and college, on the front line. I hope he comes home safe, maybe in time for a beer in the parking lot prior to the Thanksgiving Day game.
Their mission was not to be targets for terrorists.
It is you that does not support the mission.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:26:58 AM PDT
by
JohnGalt
(For Democracy, any man would give his only begotten son.)
To: Poohbah
That's good information but unfortunately Austin Willard Wright is absolutely fixated on knowing the exact number. I've researched and can't find it anywhere; hopefully the Library of Congress will have it.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:27:20 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: Peach
Additionally, in post war Germany, Hitler supporters were killing our soldiers in numbers that are hard to pin down, but it went on for years.More like two years (at most) I think, and the intensity of the resistance started to die off pretty quickly after Germany's surrender. Still, in general you are correct. I posted a thread about it:
Minutemen of the Third Reich ("Werewolf" guerilla movement - postwar sabotage & terror not new)
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Posted by Stultis On 07/04/2003 3:47 AM CDT with 26 comments
History Today (via FindArticles.com) ^ | October 2000 | Perry Biddiscombe History TodayOct, 2000Minutemen of the Third Reich.(history of the Nazi Werewolf guerilla movement) Author/s: Perry Biddiscombe AS WORRIES INCREASE about neo-Nazi and skinhead violence in Germany, it is worth remembering that this type of terrorism is a nasty constant in the history of the German radical-right. A case in point is the Nazi Werewolf guerrilla movement founded by Heinrich Himmler in 1044, which fought the occupying forces of Britain, America and Russia until at least 1047.The Werewolves were originally organised by the SS and the Hitler Youth as a diversionary operation on the fringes of the Third Reich, which... |
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:29:23 AM PDT
by
Stultis
To: shortstop
Their objective was to attack women and children, businesspeople and flight attendants, in our homeland Thank God there is still some analysis in media beyond the normal sensationalism, democratic party socialism and sexz.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:33:25 AM PDT
by
alrea
To: Poohbah
I posted those article to Austin Willard Wright; to no avail. In fact, he argued on those threads that it was a meaningless analogy without knowing HOW many soldiers died in post-war Germany.
It's his way of directing the argument without conceeding the analogy is a good one.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:37:51 AM PDT
by
Peach
(The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
To: JohnGalt
Sorry John, but according to every military person I have spoken to (I am an active member of our PTC in a school filled with military families), their mission is whatever their Commander in Chief tells them. And they love him.
I pray for your friend. I think you need to talk to him a while.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:41:43 AM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
To: Travis McGee; JohnGalt; pgyanke; Poohbah; All
This thread reminds me of a poem I read once. It goes like this:>
O say, can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hail'd at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, thro' the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watch'd, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thro' the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore dimly seen thro' the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected, now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner: O, long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wash'd out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O thus be it ever when free-men shall stand
Between their lov'd home and the war's desolation;
Blest with vict'ry and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Pow'r that hath made and preserv'd us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: In God is our trust!
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
I draw your attention to the fourth verse, of which most have never heard. That "war's desolation" can be awfully damned desolate, as any who've seen it can attest. Two years ago, a rat-pack of islamic murderers brought a small sample of that desolation to New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. Most Americans didn't much care for the experience. Since then our military establishment and intelligence community have, properly, been tasked with tracking down and destroying the supporters and brethren-in-crime of that rat-pack. It is appropriate that "war's desolation" be brought back to those who visited it upon us. It is good that islamic murderers be forced to deal with American Soldiers in their own lands rather than being free to attack Americans in America. And it is the vocation of the soldier to "stand Between [his]lov'd home and the war's desolation". He is the first line of defense; the armed civilian is the last.
Some people just don't seem to get it...
To: Coop
Your input is needed buddy.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:47:27 AM PDT
by
w_over_w
(Only those who risk going too far will ever know how far they can go.)
To: ArrogantBustard
Very well said.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:47:58 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
To: hchutch; w_over_w
To be quite blunt, the Vietnam War was lost here, NOT on the battlefields.In large part, thanks to the media. Back then we had ABC, CBS and NBC to "tell us what was happening" - no FoxNews - no Internet, etc.
"Do not fear the enemy, for your enemy can only take your life. It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse."
Thank you, Mr. Twain!
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:52:26 AM PDT
by
auboy
To: JohnGalt
A well armed citizenry and a decentralized government, you know traditional conservativism. Which will do next to nothing to protect against most terrorist attacks. You're sitting there in the restaurant, packing two or three handguns, a stun gun, and a shotgun with extra shells. Then a taxi loaded with C4 plows through the front window and detonates. That's some very dead well armed citizenry.
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posted on
08/28/2003 9:55:04 AM PDT
by
Coop
(God bless our troops!)
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