Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

Various ^ | August 28, 2003

[MarMema]

This is the same woman who was outraged by the boar-killing stunt by a disc jockey from the same radio station referenced in the link on post #5115.

Well there ya go! The Peter Singer movement.

Kinda like here in the Pacific Northwest. The papers are all telling us how Good Isabel was for the earth and the environment, you see. She cleaned the lakes.
Worth a few human lives, no doubt, to get those lakes clean. They seem to imply this, at least.

[MarMema]

Neither of you should be the least bit surprised.

Dr. Walker, an associate professor and head of the school's division of medical ethics and humanities

These are the enemy. These are the death culturists. She is the smack-dead-center propoganda spreader for the right to kill movement.

[MarMema]

She=he.

[MarMema]

debates here, per the previous posting, among the medical professionals

It is not over yet, look at these physicians speaking out!!!

"My colleagues and I followed a cohort of 27 persons who remained in the locked-in state for more than one year.2 Their five-year survival rate was 81 percent. The cohort includes a person who remains alive 18 years after injury.2 I am aware of a few patients with this syndrome who died only after they chose not to be treated for treatable medical conditions. I suspect many of the patients in the studies cited by the Multi-Society Task Force may have died as a result of conscious or subconscious neglect by care givers or a decision by their families not to have them treated."

Anyway it all right there on the page, the debates Wesley speaks of in his book as taking place outside the public eye.

[MarMema]

Here Is the link for the writing they were writing letters about in the previous link.

[MarMema]

part two here

[phenn]

If you do decide to email her, ask her if she wouldn't want someone just like Pat Anderson defending her life. Calling Ms. Anderson a "crusader" is ridiculous. She's a woman doing her job to every extent of her abilities.

Personally, I would someone like Ms. Anderson in my corner if I ever needed help. Being driven doesn't make you a "crusader". It makes you a professional.

-P-

[MarMema]

Ms. Anderson took them down good in that hearing, it was incredible to read. I still would like a transcript of her speeches.

I was thinking more about asking her how someone with no cognition as they claim, can follow directions in the video.

Their amateur neurology is such a joke. First I am trying to find a link I saw somewhere in the last few weeks on the net. It had comparisons of brains scans of two of the more famous victims of euthanasia. I think one was Tony Bland perhaps and the other either Quinlan or Cruzan. After I find it I will tell you why I wanted it again.

What is most alarming is the apparent return to the early years of PVS patients requiring no pain meds to be starved and dehydrated from the good doctor in the story.

I am reading these sadists subbing in for healthcare....and I am thinking. (Get me out of this country before it is too late!)My God, have mercy, if that neuro in the story is not a Hitler precursor, I don't know what is.

[MarMema]

tony bland here

"It is also evident that his brain was not a liquified mass, as some commentators had suggested."

Sound familiar???

[pc93]

It is so obvious that she would be able to communicate. She can definitely be rehabilitated. I have even seen where computer technology has been made where someone can communicate just by eye movement and some kind of motion tracker where the eyes control picking out letters or phrases, etc. but in Terri's case it is my belief that she could be taught to talk and to eat and just as said before she would be able to communicate if she wanted to live or die.. The fabricated assertions of Michasel and his brother, etc. that they heard Terri say she wouldn't want to live on life support, or "artificially" would be nullified. Why is it that Greer does not want Terri to be able to tell what she wants? Too late now he already ruled and it's going to take criminal charges against him or another court (Federal) to let Terri live. Perhaps a sit in could be organized? Most don't know of Terri's plight. People should picket the hospice? People should picket the Legislature? People should picket the governors residence? Whatever but something needs to be done.

[pc93]

Make a new one and we can refer back to this one.

[MarMema]

Calling Ms. Anderson a "crusader" is ridiculous

I will be blunt with you Pam. Is Ms. Anderson a Catholic? If she is not then the family she is representing are. If this is not a subtle slur toward Catholics, then I am not getting enough sleep. :-)

[MarMema]

Look at this, for example.

What is the public record that he has read? Has he seen her medical records?

""I don't think it is widely appreciated just how damaged her brain is," said Walker, an internist, who has followed the case closely by reading the public record."

This is a huge joke, Pam. He is an internist, not a neuro, and he states his facts based on the same things the rest of us have read.

Now go find an internist anywhere near you, take in a stack of newspaper writings, and ask the internist to tell you exactly what is going on in Terri's brain.

Any decent physician is going to say they don't know and wouldn't dare to say so based on, of all the non-scientific things in the world, newspaper articles.

And this from the writer who scorns the rest of us for being non-scientific? Lord have mercy.

This is nothing more than a propaganda piece from the death state.

If you see a man that appears to be drunk heading your direction on the sidewalk, do not be surprised when you get closer and the man is really and truly drunk.

evil is as evil does. Wesley says the academics are completely lost. I believe him.

[pc93]

The objective is to make the largest impacts by whatever legal actions, etc. to get not only the maximum public awareness but action on the part of the public through proper use of communicating Terri's plight with words of such specificity that there leaves no room for abuse of them and only someone who doesn't care will use the wrong words in describing Terri's situation. The technological,
physiological aspects of rehabilitation aspect certainly can't be denied. Greer already ruled. As I stated before it is going to take something else for Terri to live and I am sure that the Schindlers attorney's are working every aspect but that doesn't mean others cannot take actions as well. The special session in the legislature, etc. sounds like a very good idea. It is not out of their jurisdiction, etc. everything has to be worded and presented right or actions taken that get the notice of the public and our reps., etc.

[MarMema]

Additionally it appears that Ms. Anderson agrees with Wesley here.

"If you ask me," she said of bioethics departments like the one Walker runs at USF, "they ought to be called departments of death."

What we should do is to begin coining names for these killers, ourselves. And then get them out into the public.

[phenn]

I kind of picked up on that as well. Ms. Anderson has publicly said that she is not a Catholic. I'm not entirely certain what her faith is, but I know that she views killing people as wrong. Since this is not a case of allowing a terminal patient to die naturally and is, instead, a case of aggressively pursuing someone's death, it's easy to see why people of all denominations consider this murder.

The husband's attorney, George Felos, has publicly stated (MANY times) that people who support Terri's right to a safe and natural life are "right-wing, religious fanatics".

I went to a site called Beliefnet and looked up euthanasia and the attitudes of it from what some might consider "alternative" belief systems.

Buddhists, Hindus, Urantiaists, Wiccans and even Agnostics consider it wrong for varying reasons. So much for us "fanatics".

Terri was and is a practicing Catholic. She was very supportive of NOT hurrying the death of her own grandmother and even coaxed her parents into spending every spare dime they had to medically assist the family dog as opposed to having him euthanized. Her family believes that the combination of her personal faith and her actions in these two situations would make any "death wish" her husband alleges completely and utterly out of character.

-P-

[pc93]

Terri didn't sign a living will nor did she not want to live, that was made up by Michael, etc.

[MarMema]

You know, to be honest with you, none of those facts of the case make one iota of difference in the big picture.

In the book (Forced Exit) there was a woman who did sign a living will, then she became ill and changed her mind and the hospital or whatever went after her, her insurance plan backed out on paying and lo and behold - try not to be too shocked - the court was so corrupt that the guardian ad litem they assigned her was a member of a pro-death group.
Are you thinking Ooops? No I think maybe they knew exactly what they were doing. In story after story in this book, which Kimmie will soon confirm, the judges and more are so obviously out to kill people that soon you will wonder if you should just lie back and let them do it and get it over with.

[.30Carbine]

I haven't read anywhere near all the posts on this or other Terri threads.
Do you know about Joni Erickson Tada's involvement with Terri's fight?

Thirty-nine year old Terri Schiavo may not live to see her 40th birthday. She is not terminally ill, and she is not in prison sitting on death row. Terri simply has a sever disability. This should entitle her to the best of care, but instead, a judge on the 6th judicial circuit in Florida has ordered medical personnel to with hold food and water until she dies.

What I have seen of Terri Schiavo tells me a lot. I have seen her smile and turn her head. She can respond to her environment. Nurses have indicated under Affidavit that Terri has responded to them, and can even swallow food. Video tapes clearly show that she knows what’s going on around her. In one video, her mother kisses her on the cheek and Terri smiles, clearly happy that her mother is with her.

Despite clear financial and personal conflicts of interest, the judge repeatedly sided with Terri’s husband who insisted that food and water be removed from his disabled wife. The judge sided with the husband and against Terri’s father, mother and siblings who want to care for her for the rest of her life. But the man who will benefit financially from his wife’s death had sole say over how she was treated and cared for – or denied care.

Time is now, indeed, running out. Unless Gov. Bush in the state of Florida formally intervenes into the case, this woman with a disability will spend 10-14 days dying of starvation and dehydration.

This wrenches my heart, as an American, as a Christian, and as another woman with a disability. In our work at Joni and Friends, we see hundreds of people like Terri. We see as many, if not more, family members who care for and support those who are severely disabled within their fold. These people come to our Family Retreats all the time and they are the most encouraging, inspiring individuals to be around. The Bible says that God has decreed an appointed time for a man to die... it’s not the responsibility of a judge from the 6th circuit court; it’s God’s timing. A person with a disability – no matter how impaired mentally or physically – possesses just as much right to live as anyone else. In fact, it is the healthy society that takes great pains to safeguard the rights of people like Terri, to protect the weak and vulnerable.

But when we don’t, when we allow greed and self-interest to call the shots, when the weakest and most exposed among us is in jeopardy of having the plug pulled, then watch out the rest of us, those who think we are strong. Take heed, lest you fall... fall into the hands of a liberal court.

Friend, join me in calling Gov. Jeb Bush at 850/488-7146 to ask him to do everything he can to help Terri Schiavo stay alive.

From Joni and Friends website, found by clicking this pic:

[Robert Drobot]

Your post 5082:
"ADOLF HITLER Berlin, 1 September 1939
Reichsleiter Bouhler and Dr. med. Brandt are instructed to broaden the powers of physicians designated by name, who will decide whether those who have - as far as can be humanly determined - incurable illnesses can, after the most careful evaluation, be granted a mercy death. /signed/ Adolf Hitler"

only partially reflects its' original introduction to this thread by Deo volente in her post 4630:

"After posting my attempt at satire, post # 4628, I felt a little guilt, in implying any similarity between Jeb and you-know-who. After all, it's a favorite ploy of the President's liberal detractors to make this wicked comparison. So, to atone, I did a quick search with the help of my research assistant, Mr. Google. And this jumped right out at me. Took my breath away, in fact.

"Berlin, 1 Sept. 1939
Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment, are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death after a discerning diagnosis.

A. Hitler

http://www.wce.wwu.edu/Resources/NWCHE/journal/disabled.html "

Her post provides a complete quote, and is even more telling in that she provided FReepers with the source of her research.

A reading of that link makes you wonder how much of the evil promulgated by Hitler was transferred to the United States. It is a matter of fact that an army of scientists and medical researcher found a new home in America courtesy of the federal government.

One might reasonably ask if America is continuing Hitler's Master Plan.

Who won WWII???