Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:

Various ^ | August 28, 2003

[kimmie7]

Private Kimmie reporting for duty, ma'am! ;-) Got your freepmail, and will send files after 1 EST.

[MarMema]

Best news so far this morning is the poll is finally pulled.

[kimmie7]

HURRAY!!!

[Deo volente]

"It's so easy to picture Cranford happily chatting at the water cooler, with doctors who think newborns with disabilities should be starved. "




Newborns, period, according to the twisted 'logic' of these ghouls.
After all, wasn't it Felos who established the "litmus test", "whether a person can raise a spoon to their mouth"?

I've haven't heard of a newborn yet who could do such a thing!

EVIL, EVIL, EVIL.

[Robert Drobot]

Back in 2001 a handful of FReepers, including myself, gave attention to the plight of the McGunkin family, then living in Sandpoint, Idaho.

The local establishment confiscated their land after the husband died. However, in order to do that they had to remove the family from their property. The local prosecutor trumped up charges against the mother for child neglect ( later dismissed) took the children, had her incarcerated, denied public communication from or to her, decided to take the land on the excuse there were back taxes - not allowing her to sell a portion of the property to pay the taxes. The governor and establishment power brokers either did nothing or sat on their hands.

We got media attention. We got local citizen support.

Finally, the state moved to separate the children from their mother ( they were Christian and homeschooled) permanently.

The 'system' broke the back of a mother and her children to grab a piece of land.

For the 'system' death has many faces and forms.

In support of removing the tubes ( murdering ) Terri, Governor Bush wrote , "In Florida, these matters are entrusted to the system that our elected officials established to protect incapacitated adults. We must respect that system and trust the judge will listen to the views of all interested family members before reaching a decision in the best interest of Mrs. Schiavo.

"It is never easy to make a life-and-death decision for a loved one".

And this blowhard calls himself a Christian.

[Robert Drobot]

You might like to compare the system then and now 4625. No change. We are all potential targets.

[Lion in Winter]

You are absolutely RIGHT ON!!

[Deo volente]

"Governor Bush wrote , "In Florida, these matters are entrusted to the system that our elected officials established to protect incapacitated adults. We must respect that system and trust the judge will listen to the views of all interested family members before reaching a decision in the best interest of Mrs. Schiavo. "
"It is never easy to make a life-and-death decision for a loved one."




Berlin, circa 1934
from the desk of Adolf Hitler, Chancellor

"In Germany, these matters are entrusted to the system that our elected officials established to protect incapacitated adults. We must respect that system and trust the judge will listen to the views of all interested family members before reaching a decision in the best interest of these disabled, non-productive people who are a burden to their families and also to our nation."
"It is never easy to make a life-and-death decision for a loved one."



WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, GOVERNOR?

[Robert Drobot]

There is likely more fact than fiction in your comment.

Same system. Only a portion of America is aware of this.

Recall the, 'we did it to save the children' mantra of 'the system' when it intentionally incinerated ( fired upon them if they attempted to leave the inferno - forcing them back into the building ) eighty-four men, women and children. 'The system' then blamed the dead for the deaths of the children.

The 'system' awarded its' murderers with medals.

Government sanctioned murder of non-criminal Citizens in these united States of America is now public policy. A fiction in 1946; a reality in 2003.

[Deo volente]

After posting my attempt at satire, post # 4628, I felt a little guilt, in implying any similarity between Jeb and you-know-who. After all, it's a favorite ploy of the President's liberal detractors to make this wicked comparison. So, to atone, I did a quick search with the help of my research assistant, Mr. Google. And this jumped right out at me. Took my breath away, in fact.



Berlin, 1 Sept. 1939
Reich Leader Bouhler and Dr. Med. Brandt are charged with the responsibility of enlarging the competence of certain physicians, designated by name, so that patients who, on the basis of human judgment, are considered incurable, can be granted mercy death after a discerning diagnosis.

A. Hitler

http://www.wce.wwu.edu/Resources/NWCHE/journal/disabled.html

[syriacus]

After all, wasn't it Felos who established the "litmus test", "whether a person can raise a spoon to their mouth"?

I've haven't heard of a newborn yet who could do such a thing!

You're right.

[kimmie7]

Whoa......took my breath away too.

[MarMema]

Book review

he writes in the second chapter about "Life Unworthy of Life," a phrase taken from the title of a book published in Germany in 1920. The book represented the culmination to that point of the utilitarian thinking which decreed, in Smith's summary, that "some humans had greater moral worth than others." In fact, as he shows, the absorption of these sorts of ideas into the general culture of late 19th- and early 20th-century Western culture is almost exactly parallel to the absorption of current utilitarian bioethics views into our own culture. The unspoken conclusion is that it is either hubris or the sheerest naïveté to think that contemporary society couldn't possibly descend to the levels of the Nazi atrocities Indeed, whether it is the Tuskegee syphilis study, the victims of involuntary sterilization, or a 1980s study in Oklahoma in which 24 babies born with spina bifida were left untreated to see how they would fare-they all died-Smith makes the case that the difference between some contemporary American viewpoints and deeds and those of Nazi Germany are more of degree than of kind.

Smith quotes a physician from Loma Linda University after the guidelines for their progressive organ-donation program were repeatedly ignored by physicians elsewhere, who sent them babies that were merely disabled rather than the anencephalic babies specified in the protocol: "I have become educated by the experience? The slippery slope is real."

[Robert Drobot]

Madness. American style.

[syriacus]

Ironically, during that trial Michael’s attorney, Glenn Woodworth, showed a video of Terri, and argued that, even though she was in a "vegetative state," "you can tell she has some sense of her predicament." He also pointed out to the jury that "[on the film] she knows her husband and looks into his eyes."

Hmmm....Terri is in better mental condition than many people with dementia or Alzheimer's

Next step>>>> People with dementia will be denied food.

The hospice business will be humming and they will erect special wards for people who are being starved..

[Ohioan from Florida]

Hi, all. This morning as I was driving one of my kids to school, the local talk radio guy was conversing with someone named Ben Dover. I think he may be a radio show guy or something from the Dallas area from what I'm able to tell. Anyway, they were talking about GPS systems and whether or not it was legal to use them in court situations, etc. Then the weirdest thing happened. Dover started talking about a case where a minister had tried to strangle his wife, late 80's early 90's. She is in a "chronic vegetative state". It immediately reminded me of Terri. I'm not that great at doing searches, but I found this link if anyone would be interested in helping me find out any details about it. The name of the people is Railey. Thanks. Here's the link:

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/042197/railey.htm

[libravoter]

This morning as I was driving one of my kids to school, the local talk radio guy was conversing with someone named Ben Dover.

Um . . . . Ben Dover . . . you're kidding, right?

[freeparoundtheclock]

Judge Greer is a MISERABLE FAILURE and at this late date, he can't own up to it. IMO, he's in total denial. He's had Terri's guardianship for quite some time. I think he's been blabbing about it for years now and clearly, he has disdain for Terri's parents and he snubbed Governor Bush.

I wouldn't know where to begin re: how many laws have actually been overlooked or broken in Terri's situation.

I hope my confidence in Florida's AGs results in someone stepping in before it's too late. If Florida's leaders do nothing, I'll become an indy. Many GOP career paths are at stake now. Terri's fight puts Janet Reno kidnapping of Elian Gonzalez to shame. As far as we know, Elian is still alive. On the other hand, Terri will DIE here in America and denied her retained rights.

[Ohioan from Florida]

Railey, Walker L
Railey, Peggy Nicolai
Apparently, it was quite the scandal of the time. He was a United Methodist minister at the time. As of 1997, she was still in a nursing home near her parents in Tyler, Texas. At least her family got guardianship over her. Her family won a civil settlement against him, but he filed for bankruptcy, so they actually got nothing to help with her expenses. Apparently, he finally divorced her after several years, and she gets paid a small amount of alimony for 20 years. I haven't been able to uncover anything more of her current health. Hope she's doing well since her parents are nearby (although they were also elderly).

Perhaps one of the reasons that Michael won't divorce Terri is that he would be liable for alimony and their stuff would have to be divided by the court.

[Ohioan from Florida]

No, not kidding. I've never heard of him before. Why?