[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Conservatism is dead. This thread has convinced me of that.

My past isn't lily white but after reading that article I wanted to throw up. Arnold is disgusting.

[68 grunt]

Conservatism is dead.

I hope you're wrong. I hope its just the death of the religious right, typlifying those with whom I am disgusted.

[Windcatcher]

Depends on how you define conservatism. *I* define it as wanting to bring this country (especially the Constitution and associated laws) back toward where the Founders originally intended.

I'd like to see *real* teeth in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, and all of the remaining Amenements to once again be ironclad (not just the First). I call this Constitutional conservatism.

Would I like to see more moral behavior and a culture that hearkens more toward our past (that is, social conservatism)? Sure, but how do you enforce that, especially in California? More than a hearts-minds-issue, it's a cultural issue. short of God striking down Hollywood and nigh every TV personality (and leftist) there is, I don't see anything changing for the better. From what I can see, cultures tend to change on their own; it's very hard for humans to force cultural change. Since the wackos have a stranglehold on *all* of our cultural outlets, I guess I just don't see any way to really effect change (short of buying all the liberal outlets up).

[af_vet_rr]

My past isn't lily white but after reading that article I wanted to throw up. Arnold is disgusting.

Unfortunately this is where we are at - no politician is flawless. We knew this was coming as far as his past and it being made into an issue - Cybil S. pretty much said it was in her tinly veiled threat, and if you had seen Pumping Iron years ago or read any of his previous books/artiles, you wouldn't be suprised.

This is the exact thing that happened as what the dems tried to do in 2000, publicizing the mistakes that President Bush made when he was younger, and trying to make it to be a shocking revelation. Back when President Bush was first running for Governor in Texas, some democrats were urging the leadership and major candidates to make his past an issue. Bob Bullock, in a classy move, and one that probably cemented his friendship with President Bush, partially kept them from doing so, but everything was already out there - it just didn't become an issue.

I'm not saying that President Bush's past is even close to this - it's not, although many at FR frowned upon Bush back before 2000, and especially on usenet, there was a lot of flames pointed in his direction for his past, before he became the main GOP candidate. I believe though that President Bush has since changed and a good friend I grew up with that knew President Bush during those days say he is a changed man as well - which leads to the main question here - did Arnold give all of that up?

I refrained from making a joke about the fact that Arnold didn't exactly drive a young woman off a bridge, that would probably be in poor taste.