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To: Alamo-Girl

I use the Enoch online at http://www.ccel.org/c/charles/otpseudepig/enoch/ENOCH_1.HTM
but at home I use this one http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/096757370X/ref=cm_rdp_product_img

Genesis 6 is really plain about what happened, though redacted in it’s inforamtion, the Hebrew states that ben elohim took wives of bath Adam -sons of God took wives of daughters of Adam, both before and after the flood.


175 posted on 04/14/2008 10:55:23 PM PDT by prayforpeaceofJerusalem
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To: prayforpeaceofJerusalem; MHGinTN; Godzilla; Colofornian
The CCEL source, R.H. Charles, is an older translation. The Charlesworth collection is translated by E. Isaac from a fifteenth century Ethiopic manuscript. He did use the Charles text as reference along with other original manuscripts, including an eighteen century copy and the Dead Sea Scrolls fragments.

The big difference between Charlesworth's and most sources is the scholarly approach to the material at hand. His does not have a theological predisposition at all.

I have seen nothing to compare with Charlesworth's collection of ancient manuscripts, exhaustive research and footnotes - though I am not familiar with Ronald K. Brown - your second source.

On the second point, Enoch reveals that the ben Elohim ("sons of God") in Genesis 6 are angels who were sent by God to look after banished Adamic men. The angels taught men all kinds of things they were not supposed to know, including weapons and warfare, adornments and such. And they bred with the female offspring of Adamic men producing ravenous giants.

All of those angels who bred with women and produced giants are chained in darkness until the judgment. They were not on earth after the Flood - and are not out there now - breeding and making more giants.

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. - Jude 1:6

For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; - 2 Peter 2:4

One of Enoch's tasks in being taken to heaven was to intercede for those angels who were particularly concerned about their offspring. But there was no mercy for them.

As I recall, their offspring, the giants physically died in the Noah flood but their spirits survived until the judgment. These are the demons, for instance:

And there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying, Let [us] alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. - Mark 1:23-25

The subtext of Enoch is that the Noah Flood removed all the corruption caused by these angels. From other sources we can see that all major civilization on earth (centers of the forbidden knowledge) were in fact destroyed about the same time. And the dates match to Christian dating of the Noah Flood.

Of course the scholars exclude theology as "fact" on principle ("methodological naturalism") and thus lean to a comet explanation. However, they have no explanation for the destruction happening simultaneously, world-wide.

SIS: From: BRITISH ARCHAEOLOGY, December 1997, No 30, pp. 6-7 The Journal of the Council for British Archaeology COMETS AND DISASTER IN THE BRONZE AGE

At some time around 2300 BC, give or take a century or two, a large number of the major civilisations of the world collapsed, simultaneously it seems. The Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Early Bronze Age civilisation in Israel, Anatolia and Greece, as well as the Indus Valley civilisation in India, the Hilmand civilisation in Afghanistan and the Hongshan Culture in China - the first urban civilisations in the world - all fell into ruin at more or less the same time. Why? …

Some decades ago, the hunt for clues passed largely into the hands of natural scientists. Concentrating on the earlier set of Bronze Age collapses, researchers began to find a range of evidence that suggested that natural causes rather than human actions, may have been initially responsible. There began to be talk of climate change, volcanic activity, and earthquakes - and some of this material has now found its way into standard historical accounts of the period.

Agreement, however, there has never been. Some researchers favoured one type of natural cause, others favoured another, and the problem remained that no single explanation appeared to account for all the evidence….

The hunt for natural causes for these human disasters began when the Frenchman Claude Schaeffer, one of the leading archaeologists of his time, published his book ‘Stratigraphie Comparee et Chronologie L’Asie Occidentale’ in 1948. Schaeffer analysed and compared the destruction layers of more than 40 archaeological sites in the Near and Middle East, from Troy to Tepe Hissar on the Caspian Sea and from the Levant to Mesopotamia. He was the first scholar to detect that all had been totally destroyed several times in the Early, Middle and Late Bronze Age, apparently simultaneously.

Since the damage was far too excessive and did not show signs of military or human involvement, he argued that repeated earthquakes might have been responsible for these events. At the time he published, Schaeffer was not taken seriously by the world of archaeology. Since then, however, natural scientists have found widespread and unambiguous evidence for abrupt climate change, sudden sea level changes, catastrophic inundations, widespread seismic activity and evidence for massive volcanic activity at several periods since the last Ice Age, but particularly at around 2200BC, give or take 200 years.

Areas such as the Sahara, or around the Dead Sea, were once farmed but became deserts. Tree rings show disastrous growth conditions at c 2350BC, while sediment cores from lakes and rivers in Europe and Africa show a catastrophic drop in water levels at this time. In Mesopotamia, vast areas of land appear to have been devastated, inundated, or totally burned...

Evidently, you and I are both familiar with the manuscript but have very different understandings of what it reveals vis-à-vis Scripture.

176 posted on 04/15/2008 9:21:48 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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