Movers Haul Away Ten Commandments in Montgomery

FOXNews.com ^ | Wednesday, August 27, 2003

[huck von finn]

Actually, Barry Lynn is executive director of Satanists for the Abolition of All Things Christian

This is ridiculous. The guy is an ordained minister.

[Lord_Baltar]

Really? I didn't realize they had the ORIGINAL 10 Commandment stones on display in Montgomery...

Seriously, If these are the Originals, that changes the whole thing...

/sarcasm

[MineralMan]

"You made the assertion. Please back it up with facts."

Oh, there have been a few, scattered cases where some overzealous teacher or school administrator has done some stupid thing like taking a Bible away from a student. These situations get corrected quickly, as they should.

But, they live on in the annals of those who want to believe that this is where we're heading. Never mind the court decisions that re-affirm kids rights to take Bibles to school, etc.

But, whenever the discussion comes up, out these stories come, without the explanation of how they concluded.

[huck von finn]

Because of our denomination ( actually we are non denominational )

?????? we have been advised to increase our limits of liability "just in case the pastor preaches something in the pulpit that another may find offensive."

What church is this? What would be offensive?

[MatthewViti]

[Woahhs]

Nope. I don't try to prove anything at all. I simply disbelieve.

I didn't say you were "atheism" did I?

Nevertheless, why are atheists not content to keep their convictions to themselves as they so often council theists to do? Because of the inherent assumption of superiority coming from the conviction that theists are irrational and they themselves are rational.

Explain it any way you like, but atheists credit themselves as intellectually superior, though the educated ones will admit when pressed, they have no more positive basis for their convictions than the theist.

[RoughDobermann]

Oh, there have been a few, scattered cases where some overzealous teacher or school administrator has done some stupid thing like taking a Bible away from a student. These situations get corrected quickly, as they should.

Good. I was hoping for some context too. For example, was the child reading the Bible while the teacher was on another subject? If so, the teacher would have been correct in removing the bible from the child. Just as the teacher would be correct if the child was reading a comic book during math lessons...

[nfldgirl]

If you're going to talk about scriptures, you might want to get familiar with your own.

The difference being is that we now have the NEW Testament which means we are no longer under the same penalty for sin as delineated in the Old Testament.

[Liberal Classic]

It must have been a shock to have discovered a monument to the ten commandments had been smuggled in under everyone's noses!

[rwfromkansas]

Indeed.....they always mention it to (though I don't think out of political reasons...most journalistic writing stylebooks call for always highlighting when someone is a member of the clergy).

That said, he is pastor of a liberal church IIRC, which would figure.

[jimt]

And lying is really important to make it in today's society.

Bill and Hillary think so. They ain't too partiklar 'bout the rest, either.

[Catspaw]

If he meant that literally (I actually think he was referring to a general belief that God is being removed from the public square everywhere), he is an idolator. Even if he isn't, he needs to watch his statements. One could easily interpret that as a statement referring to the Ten Commandments as god.

I agree. I didn't put it in the last post, but one of the two or three men trying to keep this plaid shirt guy back from the steps of the Courthouse told him something like, "The Ten Commandments aren't God." I can't be sure if that's an exact quote, but it's close. I also doubt if the plaid shirt guy heard him--he was that out of control. If they hadn't stopped him, I'm sure he would've charged the door or even gone through the plate glass window. I do remember hearing him continuing to yell and scream while Mahoney and others tried to speak.

[RoughDobermann]

why are atheists not content to keep their convictions to themselves

Conversely, why are religious folk not content to keep their convictions to themselves?

[Lord_Baltar]

Good Point grayout...

That's probably because the people that should be busy posting them in Churches, are too busy trying to get them posted in Bus Stations, Airports, Court Houses, etc...

Interesting...

[jimt]

Your # 42 is well stated. I agree.

[PleaseNoMore]

It is a small church in southern NC. Yes, it was offensive especially after the agent pointed out that the threat of a libel or slander suit was very real in today's society.

[MineralMan]

"In Houston a woman has instigated a lawsuit to remove the bible from one of the courthouses there. So in a sense, yes they are coming after the bible.

I just had a meeting with our church's insurance agent. Because of our denomination ( actually we are non denominational )we have been advised to increase our limits of liability "just in case the pastor preaches something in the pulpit that another may find offensive."

"

That woman will, no doubt, lose. Now, are you sure she's trying to remove the Bibles or is she trying to stop the practice of trying to force everyone to swear oaths on the Bible. If it's the latter, then she'll win. I never swear oaths on the Bible. I always simply affirm my oath, as laid out in our wonderful Consitution.

As for the second case, the insurance agent is probably wise in his recommendation. Your preacher, in a fit of zeal might just slander someone in one of his sermons. I've heard it happen in churches, where a preacher called a specific person a "whore." That's actionable, whether it's done by a preacher or by anyone else. Churches should carry good insurance policies against lawsuits, don't you think?

[huck von finn]

Sneaking? How does one sneak such a thing into a building?

Well, apparently Moore erected the thing in the courthouse in the middle of the night--for some reason. But my point is that because of the influence of the Separatists in this country, we have the laws that keep religion and government apart. That's how it should be, for the good of government, but more importantly, for the benefit of faith and religion. Moore may have thought that erecting that monument in the courthouse was the right thing to do, but he was very misguided.