BIRCH SOCIETY IS NOT AN ACCURATE SOURCE OF INFO

Ernieinps@aol.com

[goldilucky]

I am part Jew, Indian, and Italian but I stand behind the JBS. I do not support the Catholic Church, the Vatican, or the Pope for they support terrorists like Fidel Castro. For example, the Pope was seen mingling with Fidel in the year 2000. I am not anti-Catholic but much of what the church stands for is socialism and communism. America was founded under Judeo-Christian values. Socialism is the enemy of Judeo-Christian. When a country adopts socialism, it adopts a religion which attempts at every measure to defame, discredit, and destroy God, family, and Country.

Those who aim to destroy what this Country was founded under are not welcome in this Country!

[Ernie.cal]

I understand your anger about what I wrote (because you think you are incapable of substantive error in your long-held beliefs) -- but please remember that, IN REALITY, your anger should be directed toward the FBI since I am just a messenger reporting what is contained in their files (as well as from other sources that Birchers normally find acceptable).

One of the most intriguing aspects of my research has been the fact that the JBS has NEVER, to my knowledge, ever acknowledged to its membership that it has made a major mistake in a conclusion about an individual or organization that it described as Communist, pro-Communist, or a Communist dupe. Amazing (for an "educational" organization), don't you think? Never once seen any new information to cause re-consideration of premises and/or conclusions? !!

One more point: The last Scoreboard issue of American Opinion estimated Communist influence and control within the U.S. at a staggering 60-80%. According to the minutes of the first JBS National Council meeting held in Chicago on January 1, 1960, Mr. Welch said:
"Today, gentlemen, I can assure you, without the slighest doubt in my own mind, that the takeover at the top is, for all practical purposes, virtually complete. Whether you like it or not, or whether you believe it or not, our Federal government is already literally in the hands of the Communists."

Since the people that the JBS considers as noxious and subversive maintained their "control" of our country over the past 43 years -- how is it that we still live in a country that permits Free Republic website and John Birch Society and numerous other right-wing organizations to exist?? Why do right wing politicians continue to be elected to office? Why do you and your neighbors worship, without fear, in our churches and synagogues? And why can you join any group, subscribe to any publication, purchase any book, and say out loud anything you want?

At some point one has to ask -- what, exactly, did Mr. Welch and the JBS mean when they kept referring to "Communist control and influence" -- if such control and influence never produced gulags and firing squads for all their critics and perceived enemies---as has been the case in every other Communist-controlled nation?

Obviously, Welch was full of himself and totally wrong in many of his judgments.

Anyone who wants to read a 9-page detailed summary of FBI material on the Birch Society is invited to peruse my Yahoo group at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FBIvsExtremeRight/

Ernie aka Ernieinps@aol.com

[Ernie.cal]

Sorry folks...my previous message should have been addressed to charlesj -- who called me an idiot!

[Recovering_Democrat]

ernie, I wasn't angry. My post was a wink and a nod. :)

[WaterDragon]

Hoover wasn't around during the Clinton years. Hoover's FBI was gutted by the Democrats in Congress from the sixties on.

[Coleus]

http://www.jbs.org/
http://www.thenewamerican.com/
http://www.aobs-store.com/
http://www.trimonline.org/
http://www.robertwelchuniversity.org/
http://www.getusout.org/

[Coleus]

The President of the JBS is John McManus, a Roman Catholic, who frequently writes for the Fatima Crusader.

[ExSoldier]

Although certainly not an authoritative source (lol) I have had many assertions made by The New American privately confirmed to me by upper level staffers to several Republican members of the US Senate and House. Especially after the OKC bombing. They made some startling assertions in regards to the structure and load bearing beams as far as the damages sustained and concluded that an ANFO device would have been unable to produce that sort of damage at the range it (the truck) was situated from the building. This USAF officer had been on site and scraped some residue from area buildings that suggested fulminate of mercury, which was not in the published material list for the device. ALSO , there were load bearing columns that were cut on the interior of the blast area, but left a few exterior columns untouched near the device...all of this was in the OKC issues of TNA. A SpecOps buddy of mine just retired at that time said that a few of his own former A-Team demo guys also remarked on this odddity.

As I recall, this USAF explosives expert approached THEM with his analysis and they checked it all out and launched their stories. It was also an interesting fact I also had confirmed that many of the BATF personnel in that building who were supposed to be there in the Murrah Building at 9 am were in fact either out in the "field" or sick or someplace else when their office was pulverized.

TNA had this, but nobody else did. As I said I got the confirmation from congressional staffers whose bosses were in the followup. Congressional "leaks." LOL

[philetus]

I'm almost sure rrrod has never researched this subject.
Some people believe everything the feds say.

[Coleus]

I am not anti-Catholic but much of what the church stands for is socialism and communism. >>>>

Oh, to the contrary. If you read many of the encyclicals from the 1800's you will see, most assuredly that the Catholic Church is very opposed to Communism, Socialism and Liberalism. They knew the Devil and the secular humanists, the new agers, athiests, aborionists and communists were involved to overthrow the church.

The Catholic Church is against Communism and Socialism, Make sure the socialists do not take over; they are working from within the church and are part of the media and will stop at nothing from destroying the Church.

QUOD APOSTOLICI MUNERIS
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO Xlll ON SOCIALISM
DECEMBER 28, 1878
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13apost.htm
NOSTIS ET NOBISCUM
ON THE CHURCH IN THE PONTIFICAL STATES
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS IX
DECEMBER 8, 1849
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9nostis.htm
QUADRAGESIMO ANNO
ON RECONSTRUCTION OF THE SOCIAL ORDER
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS Xl MAY 15, 1931
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius11/P11QUADR.HTM
GRAVES DE COMMUNI RE
Encyclical of Pope leo XIII on Christian Democracy
January 18, 1901
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13grcom.htm
LIBERTAS, ON THE NATURE OF HUMAN LIBERTY (Against Liberalism)
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII JUNE 20, 1888
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13liber.htm

[narses]

!...a bunch of catholic and jew hating whackos!

Really? The JBS folks I know are predominately Catholic!

[sinkspur]

The JBS folks I know are predominately Catholic!

Most of the JBS folks who come on this website despise Catholics.

[Iconoclast2]

I agree with those who say the New American magazine provides useful information. I have never found it to be unrealiable, though often unverified. For example, has anyone ever seen confirmation of the claim that Kofi Annan was personally involved in the massacre in Rwanda?

[goldilucky]

Thank you for those links. You may be correct about the Catholic Church back then but something has drastically changed within the church. For example, the Catholic church never had gay bishops or cardinals as they do today. The whole idea of allowing such abominations within the church is socialist in the face. As I said before, socialism is the enemy of God and family. Now, I do not bash gays for it is not in my position to judge them, however, their practices are an abomination of God. For the Catholic Church to say otherwise is Socialist in that it truly defies the Word of God. One hears of young children being molested by members of the Catholic church and it does make one wonder what the church really does stand for at all. I am sure that many true followers of the Catholic faith would agree.

Socialism is the enemy of God and was the reason why Robert Welch was murdered. Welch was the enemy of the Socialists who have worked to destroy this Country from within. In order for them to make progress on their socialist agenda they had to destroy those who were the obstacle to the socialization of America.


We now live in a Socialist country. The key to that is when the Ten Commandments were removed from the courts and the public schools. Another key is legitimazing abortion. Prior to that, in the 1880's public schools, which were then localized, were set up to teach children about the bible.

[Coleus]

The whole idea of allowing such abominations within the church is socialist in the face.>>>


The "official" church in its catechism and doctrines is against homosexuality and sodomy. That's the problem, the Communists had to break down two major institutions, the Capitalist USA and their schools and the Catholic Church. They infiltrated both many years ago. Now it's time to do damage control. Sen. McCarthy knew about it as well as the John Birch Society. People laugh, so let them, they laughed at Noah too and looked at what happened. Marxism is alive in today's USA.

[goldilucky]

"The "official" church in its catechism and doctrines is against homosexuality and sodomy."

What do you mean by "official" church?

Those who laughed at Noah, were not spared their lives. As for McCarthy, I don't think many are laughing at him now. Communism is alive and well in the U.S. Just look what our public schools are being subjected to at taxpayers expense. Our public schools are nothing more than cell posts for communists to do their subversive work. Attending college is supposed to be a learning experience and not an "educational process" to process one's child into a socialist/communist. We're made in God's image; not a product of our schools or environment.

[goldilucky]

It seems to me that the communists have infiltrated the Catholic Church and takes such people like Klayman to force the church to take a stand.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

September 10, 2003

Contact: Press Office

(305) 349-2391

JUDICIAL WATCH GETS VATICAN TO FINALLY SPEAK OUT AGAINST FIDEL CASTRO’S HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS

Shortly Before JW’s Private European Delegation, Catholic Church Publicly Announced It Would Not Get Involved In Cuban Political Prisoner Situation

(Miami, FL)–Judicial Watch, the public interest group that has fought the tyranny of Fidel Castro, proudly announced that, thanks to recent meetings with top Vatican officials in Rome, the Catholic church is finally speaking out against the latest human rights violations committed by terrorist dictator Fidel Castro. It breaks a decade-long silence streak by the Catholic church regarding human rights on the island prison.

But thanks to JW’s recent diplomatic mission to Rome, where Chairman and General Counsel Larry Klayman also met with U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican Jim Nicholson, the church finally issued a strongly worded statement criticizing the Cuban government’s return to hard-line ideology and asking “the country’s authorities for a gesture of clemency toward these people who are in jail.”

Judicial Watch represents two of the intellectuals–economist Martha Beatriz Roque and independent journalist Normando Hernandez--jailed earlier this year for opposing Castro and has fought hard for the release of all 75. Roque’s sister, Isabel Roque, was quoted in today’s Miami Herald as saying: “It’s about time the church does something. Hopefully it will have an effect. These poor prisoners are living like animals.”

JW’s diplomatic mission, suggested and coordinated by U.S. State Department officials, visited six European countries and included lengthy meetings with top Vatican officials. The JW mission was headed by Klayman and provided compelling testimony from exiled Castro dissident Blanca Gonzalez, who is the mother of Normando Hernandez. JW friend and special presidential envoy, Otto Reich, visited the same European officials on behalf of the U.S. Government immediately following the JW delegation.

Besides this latest development from the Vatican, the effects of JW’s mission have been incredible. For instance, Holland cut financial aide it has given Castro for years, Greece denied the Cuban dictator a visa to attend the 2004 Olympic Games in Athens and the EU Parliament called for the immediate release of political prisoners. This was all the result of JW’s mission.

“Thanks to JW’s diplomatic European mission, the EU now has a better understanding that this is a humanitarian emergency and so does the Vatican. It is now apparent that the world will no longer stand by and allow this murderous dictator to continue torturing, killing and falsely imprisoning his people,” Klayman said.

[goldilucky]

That's the problem, the Communists had to break down two major institutions, the Capitalist USA and their schools and the Catholic Church. They infiltrated both many years ago.

And it sure doesn't look to me like the Catholic Church wants to cut ties with terrorists like Fidel Castro either. It has to take an outsider to plead with the "authorities" of the church for God's sake.

What kind of church embraces communist ideologies?

Ans: The kind of church that ordains itself as "God" to overlord the sheeple with fear.

God Almighty will surely avenge those who destroy His people with fire just as He did with the Flood. And His time is drawing near. Isaiah 66: 15-17, 2 Peter 3:1-17

[Coleus]

The "people" of Cuba can now attend mass. So I don't know what you are talking about. The church does not support or endorse communism. Many priests, bishops and lay Catholics have been imprisoned or killed in Communists countries like the USSR, China and Cuba. Ant the present Pope, John Paul II, along with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher have been instrumental in the fall of Communism in Europe.

I think you are confusing reality with your animosities toward the church.

[goldilucky]

"...the present Pope, John Paul II, along with Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher have been instrumental in the fall of Communism in Europe."

The fall of the Berlin Wall was just a political symbol and a complete joke. Communism is still alive and well in Russia, China, and Cuba. My roommate who escaped from communist Vietnam would strongly disagree with you on this Berlin Wall stuff. Also, a former classmate from Russia revealed in class that Russia is still Communist for you have no rights to speak against the government over there as they (GRU) equivalent to the FBI follow you everywhere.

Also, what about the Vatican that is the higher orthodoxy of the Catholic Church? Why is it so friendly with Fidel Castro? Why is the Pope embracing Fidel Castro?

If the "people" of Cuba can now attend mass, why are so many desperately trying to get out of Cuba? And who are "the people" that you are referring to? Could it be that Pappa Castro kills those who denounce him as God? Sure, the Cuban government gives outsiders the impression that "the people" can attend mass but they do not have the freedom to worship Jesus Christ as their Savior. They also do not have freedom of travel. Many of them have died trying to get away from this possessed tyrant.