[wideawake]

I consider that ad hominem and hyperbolic.

Go right ahead, as long as you realize that it is my commentary and has nothing to do with the meat of my argument.

But that still leaves the wee bit of a problem of the dead serial rapist priest who was tranferred around and covered up for. I haven't seen the Church deal with the real Problem. Attacking the Church's enemies if fine and good, but it's not the whole picture.

The problem is a grave one - here are its components:

(1) Too many seminary vocations directors are liberals who think that it's OK to ordain those with sodomite urges.

(2) Too many people become bishops because they are politicians - someone who really wants to be a bishop should be considered too ambitious and power-hungry to be allowed to become a bishop. The best bishops in the Church's history have been those who thought themselves unworthy of the title and who had to be ordered against their will to accept the job.

(3) The resulting problem: that sodomites have been ordained and that politicians are put in charge of them was a recipe for the disaster that happened.

It is a very rare sodomite indeed who is able to control himself in a social atmosphere (like the modern day US) that encourages sodomy and it is a very rare politican indeed who will ever admit that he made a mistake or will accept public blame for the crimes of his subordinates.

Yet the media pumps up the so-called "Voice of the Faithful" as the solution to these problems. What is the stance of VOTF? That the Church be more open and forgiving toward sodomites and that bishops be elected rather than appointed.

In other words: the solution to sodomites sneaking into the priesthood and bishops acting like the Clintons is to openly welcome sodomites into the clergy and to make sure that all bishops be campaigning politicians.

[witnesstothefall]

Thanks for getting to the real problem. The problems as you describe them, are truly stupendous.

If as you say, sodomites have gained free reign within the Church, with a political bureaucracy that tolerates and even protects them, we are talking factions of Satan my friend.

I haven't flirted with millenialism for ages and ages, but one must wonder. How can the Church be a haven for predators of the Innocent? And what does it really mean?

[witnesstothefall]

Oh, and please elaborate, who is Voice of the Faithful, and what is their geography and numbers?

I hope my remarks are not seen as any attack on the Church. On the contrary, I speak only out of a healthy fear of God's Wrath.

[witnesstothefall]

Decided to check myself. Here's Voice of the Faithful's most recent PR, dealing w/the prison murder. Interesting:

http://www.votf.org/Press/pressrelease/0824.html.

[maryz]

Yet the media pumps up the so-called "Voice of the Faithful" as the solution to these problems. What is the stance of VOTF? That the Church be more open and forgiving toward sodomites and that bishops be elected rather than appointed.

In other words: the solution to sodomites sneaking into the priesthood and bishops acting like the Clintons is to openly welcome sodomites into the clergy and to make sure that all bishops be campaigning politicians.

Bears repeating -- "What oft was thought, but ne'er so well expressed"!