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To: Utah Girl
A guy goes into a cave by himself for a few nights and afterwards tells others he has been spoken to by God thus the origin of Islam. A guy tells everyone he is the son of god and heals the sick and gets crucified and comes back from the dead thus christianity is born. (Sound like doctors of today dealing with scumbag lawyers) From these two guys, millions upon millions of people have been murdered and countless other lives have been destroyed. It`s still going on. Religion is good...for the individual. When it gets organized it`s not good. Spirituality is personal and you can use those guys as examples or you can use them as inspiration. When a group forms, watch out baby. All organized religion can shove it as far as I`m concerned. When the human race can get an average IQ above 20 I`ll support organized religin, but as for now, I compare it to sex or shitting..Get your face outta mine while I`m doing it.
18 posted on 08/25/2003 10:01:00 PM PDT by metalboy (Slinky, it makes a clickety sound and it goes downstairs, it is a marvelous spring)
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To: metalboy
You don't need to be so crude to express your dislike of religion.
19 posted on 08/25/2003 10:06:42 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: metalboy
There's a BIG difference that folks who just like to knock religeon in general often miss here. There is NO part of the Christian New Testament that exhorts followers to harass, subjugate, enslave and kill others not following Christ.

Those passages DO exist in the Quaran...
33 posted on 08/25/2003 11:29:52 PM PDT by Axenolith (It's not my fault...)
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To: metalboy
From these two guys, millions upon millions of people have been murdered and countless other lives have been destroyed.

Now, I'm agnostic, but come on- are you telling me that Christ exhorted his followers to kill and actually led them in this endeavour by example? There is no way you can compare the two as if they are the same. The Koran is the collected words of Mohammed. You can find numeruos examples in the Koran of Mohammed giving the Muslims license to kill the idolators and others. Where do you find something similar in the New Testament's quotations of Jesus?

What about Stalin, Pol Pot, Chairman Mao et al? They weren't religious at all yet they killed millions. If you had said "ideology kills people and is still going on" you would have been closer to the truth but still not quite accurate. The truth is people kill each other and always have. They've done it since before religion existed. People have also always used ideology as an impetus and justification to kill others. But it is people that do the killing. Take away religion, they'll use something else- perhaps with even more gusto and with less restraint.

36 posted on 08/26/2003 2:41:52 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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