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To: harpseal
I guess that government interference in foreign trade being bad only applies to the US government.

Guess again (I realize you're being facetious). Quoth Reagan, "If one partner shoots a hole in the bottom of the boat, does it make sense for the other partner to shoot another hole in the boat?" Their machinations do impact us all negatively, I just want to avoid compounding the problem.

Now I challenged you before to rpovide some quantitative evidence that a tariff does not provide a net benefit to teh USA

And I tried to explain to you that net benefits cannot be weighed. How do you tell how much wealth I could generate with the money were it not taken in tariffs? How do you tell what businesses I would have funded? How do you count what I couldn't afford, after paying your tariff? It's easy to point at the steel plant and say, "We saved those 4,000 jobs!" It's impossible to see how many jobs are lost in all other industries that consider steel a resource and a cost in the production cycle because the steel they require is more expensive. It's impossible to measure that which doesn't get purchased because the resources to purchase it are taxed away to feed bureaucrats. Anyone puporting to 'show' you otherwise is capitalizing on your naivete and belief that others are possessed of an omniscience you lack.

My faith is in the natural tendency of man to settle his wants by trading effort with other men, and I realize he's better able to do that without bureaucrats riding on his back and being paid to produce nothing. I have seen firsthand the ruin that government management of trade has wrought.

316 posted on 08/25/2003 7:33:53 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Guess again (I realize you're being facetious). Quoth Reagan, "If one partner shoots a hole in the bottom of the boat, does it make sense for the other partner to shoot another hole in the boat?" Their machinations do impact us all negatively, I just want to avoid compounding the problem.

Well now partner I note that i have yet to be shown a quatitative analysis that shows any protective tariff doing net harm to teh American economy. For that matter I have yet to see any quantitative analysis shoing a neutral result. I have posted one on one tariff that shows a positive net result.

You are the one being facetious thinking we will not have a Democrat unless we make some progress towards fixing the problems now. Certainly using tariffs is a Constitutional means of encouraging american Industry or Jefferson, Madison, Hamiltion and Monroe would not have used them and supported them. there is no right for an individual to imprt anything into teh USA without paying the imposts and duties set by Congress becaus ethe Constitution clearly states taht Congress has the power to levy imposts and duties.

And I tried to explain to you that net benefits cannot be weighed. How do you tell how much wealth I could generate with the money were it not taken in tariffs? How do you tell what businesses I would have funded? How do you count what I couldn't afford, after paying your tariff? It's easy to point at the steel plant and say, "We saved those 4,000 jobs!" It's impossible to see how many jobs are lost in all other industries that consider steel a resource and a cost in the production cycle because the steel they require is more expensive. It's impossible to measure that which doesn't get purchased because the resources to purchase it are taxed away to feed bureaucrats. Anyone puporting to 'show' you otherwise is capitalizing on your naivete and belief that others are possessed of an omniscience you lack.

If benfits can not be measured then neither tahn costs and you have said since everything is unknowable why not go with your interpretauion of what constitutes liberty. While I say lets go with a proven policy. There is a long history of tariffs and the raising and lowering of protective tariffs results are measurable in the opinion of most economic historians. I will even grant taht some costs and some benefits are unmeasurable. how can one measure the encouragement ot innovation that protective tariffs provide were teh steamboat and cotton gin the reaper and steel plow encouraged by the fact that protective tarifffs were in place meaning that peopel knew taht in Ameirica their industry would be more rewarded/. no one can measure that either but in the final analysisi I state emasure what we can measure and use teh results to formulate public policy. Can you name oen Senator who supports your utopia of the minimal possible Federal governemnt and most of teh powers usurped going back to teh states? Might movement in that direction help get there at least peacefully?

My faith is in the natural tendency of man to settle his wants by trading effort with other men, and I realize he's better able to do that without bureaucrats riding on his back and being paid to produce nothing. I have seen firsthand the ruin that government management of trade has wrought

Ah yes the faith in teh nature of man to want to peacably trade. I will even agree a majority of individuals would probaly live up to this ideal but the fact that governments exists and criminals exist means that we can not just get rid of government and let this rule. My faith is in the natural tendency of man to settle his wants by trading effort with other men, and I realize he's better able to do that without bureaucrats riding on his back and being paid to produce nothing. I have seen firsthand the ruin that government management of trade has wrought.

375 posted on 08/25/2003 8:07:10 PM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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