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Free trade's victims turning against Bush, GOP
The Herald Sun ^ | August 25, 2003 | associated press

Posted on 08/25/2003 2:05:47 PM PDT by snopercod

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To: PigRigger
What congress should be concentrating on is making it more advantageous to keep jobs here rather than have them outsourced.

How can you do that when companies over here have to pay american workers social security, osha, epa costs, medical insurance, state income taxes, minimum wage and are not allowed to employ children nor prisoners?

541 posted on 08/26/2003 7:47:59 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: scottlang
I hear you, What I guess the most of us want is the Government to at least tery to help the American worker by setting up an enviroment that will create jobs. Instead of helping companies move jobs overseas, allowing foreign workers to come here, and then harassing the businesses that remain with taxes and regulations. If Bush does not do this his job could be outsourced to the dems next year.

May I summerize this?

What most of us want is for the Government to get the hell out of the way and let us work!

542 posted on 08/26/2003 7:50:23 AM PDT by null and void
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To: snopercod
bush is in deep deep trouble in those states whereever an american worker was outsourced by a cheap Indian or where his factory moved to china. It is time he started thinking about american workers and american factories.
543 posted on 08/26/2003 7:51:08 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Gunslingr3
Well, doc, one thing I could do is be the guy who gets it to you.

OK.

US based trucker: 10,000 regulations, safety, sleep schedules, fair hiring, minimum wages, etc...

Mexican trucker: exempt from US regulations, and allowed anywhere in the US, thanks to NAFTA.

544 posted on 08/26/2003 7:55:55 AM PDT by null and void
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To: snopercod
Instead of blaming Bush, how about blaming the skyrocketing legal exposure and regulatory burden that makes running a business so prohibitive?
545 posted on 08/26/2003 7:59:30 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Cronos
Good analysis. The ride to get there is a bit rough, though...
546 posted on 08/26/2003 8:00:10 AM PDT by null and void
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To: waterstraat
No, he's not. Everything is fine. There are only 2 billion people in China and India. How do you figure that any of them would like an american job at lesser wages? That is crazyness.

They are also going to remove the tarriffs on our goods any second now. Just you wait and see. Turn on the financial news, they will be announcing it any second. They are also going to announce that China is going to stop pointing missiles at us, because we opened up Wal-Mart sweat shops there as a token of their good will.

Life is good. A high school graduate has more opportunity now than ever! In fact, our society is blossoming. Sure, they had stable in tact families in the past, blue collar guys in their 20's supporting a stay at home wife and kids, but we have internet porn! Can you say progress?

Sure the economy has bled 3 million jobs. But, aren't people always asking for vacation time? Women are expected to make up 48% of the work force in 2008 according to this very own administration's labor department. None of these women will have children though. If they do, their husbands will be at home packing up lunches! In fact, everything is just swell! Why I expect the people losing $60,000 a year jobs, to counterparts making $500 a month are saying to themselves, this is neat! I am a computer nerd. By losing my job that kept me productive in a cubicle, it is forcing me to go into retail. Sure, I make 50% less, but now I get to meet and greet more strangers. I have to move in with mom and dad, but even that is a blessing. I miss mom going through my jeans pockets!

Everything is super dee dooper. We can learn alot from the talking Barney doll, who is cheerful no matter what, and he is made in China! So, don't be a sourpuss! Everything is A-OK!

547 posted on 08/26/2003 8:03:29 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: snopercod
I guess North Carolina is going to vote for the One World Socialists on the left, then. Right?
548 posted on 08/26/2003 8:06:04 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Texas_Dawg
'You forgot, "Some of my best friends are Merchants."'

(Rasies Hand) Here Sir!

549 posted on 08/26/2003 8:09:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Gunslingr3
”I do not assume the government improves the 'general well being' of the nation by making goods more expensive than they otherwise would be.”

In most instances outsourcing overseas does not mean lower consumer prices. The result is typically higher profit margins for the outsourcing companies.

”It is by realizing new efficiencies”

Well, the last batch of new efficiencies we innovated are the vehicles that made the outsourcing of jobs feasible (computers, proficient connectivity, IP telephony). The dynamic has changed and (setting aside direct services that require a warm body) it’s hard to imagine what new jobs will arise that cannot also be outsourced.

”I'm all for less regulation, I just don't think increased regulation of trade is the vehicle that will get us there.”

Well, the jury’s out on which side is right and only time will tell. At this point trying to pass deregulation and tort reform bills through congress would be too little too late to stave off the job loss(IMO).

550 posted on 08/26/2003 8:16:10 AM PDT by SouthParkRepublican
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To: billbears
"Although if I were you, I'd check with WalMart to see what Giddy's position on textiles is...."

Our politicians' position on textiles and manufacturing is clearly printed on the labels.

551 posted on 08/26/2003 8:21:49 AM PDT by azhenfud (For every government action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.)
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To: null and void
I hear you, What I guess the most of us want is the Government to at least tery to help the American worker by setting up an enviroment that will create jobs. Instead of helping companies move jobs overseas, allowing foreign workers to come here, and then harassing the businesses that remain with taxes and regulations. If Bush does not do this his job could be outsourced to the dems next year.
May I summerize this?

What most of us want is for the Government to get the hell out of the way and let us work!

AMEN!!!!!
552 posted on 08/26/2003 8:22:58 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: Eva
I guess North Carolina is going to vote for the One World Socialists on the left, then. Right?

Nope. They'll vote AGAINST the ones they perceive as causing the problems. The ones in charge now.

Net result is the same...

553 posted on 08/26/2003 8:24:21 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
I fear this as well. There are lots good about Bush, but he has to manage the economy better. If not he is a one termer.
554 posted on 08/26/2003 8:26:20 AM PDT by scottlang
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To: harpseal
I agree that Unions were deliberately exempted from those laws but the repeal of those laws wuld not affect the unions which are exempt and the "predatory practices" which those laws curtailed were found to be harmful to the United States of America prior to their enactment.

If Congress were to state that your continued ownership of your property was "harmful to the United States of America" and passed a law mandating that you forfeit your property to the government without compensation...

Would you simply say, "Yup, OK, it's yours?"

Good grief. "Found to be harmful to the United States?" Are you really dumb enough to believe that a throwaway line in a preamble of a piece of legislative theft is a finding of fact?

I do not think repeal of teh anti-trust laws ois in the immediate future and as regards tariffs would you care to find a study that shows a net harm from a protective tariff via quantitative analysis?

Show me a study that shows a NET GAIN from a "protective tariff" via quantitative analysis. Let's see your terms, since you seem to think that throwaway lines in legislative preambles are proven facts.

555 posted on 08/26/2003 8:34:18 AM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women.)
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To: scottlang
Agreed. He is a superb war president. A true man of his word (what a refreshing change from a previous occupant of that office!). A man of high moral character. (ibid). A man consistently misunderestimated by his opponents. But domesticaly? We feel a *little* neglected...
556 posted on 08/26/2003 8:40:19 AM PDT by null and void
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To: My2Cents
Oh right...North Carolina's going to vote for Howard Dean

Never say never

557 posted on 08/26/2003 8:44:03 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: snopercod
This issue just keeps popping up. Everytime I think of the Free traitors I keep hearing the song, "Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do, whatch gonna do when they come for you"
558 posted on 08/26/2003 8:45:56 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: SouthParkRepublican
"Well, the jury’s out on which side is right and only time will tell. At this point trying to pass deregulation and tort reform bills through congress would be too little too late to stave off the job loss(IMO)."

Government's meddling in business is what got us here and BTW it didn't happen overnight. Proposals to place tarriffs on imports and laws against corporations moving will at best raise costs to consumer without doing anything about the problem.

Business (and money) is akin to water. It flows to the least resistance. The US Government has made it more attractive to base manufacturing off shore. Making laws to stop this problem is just more of the same. If you want to fix the problem then remove the barriers that restrict business in the US. A good start would be all the stupid stuff like the EPA, OSHA, IRS, etc. etc. etc.

559 posted on 08/26/2003 8:46:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Heh. Not so bad...

Main Entry: 1mer·chant
Pronunciation: 'm&r-ch&nt
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English marchant, from Old French marcheant, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin mercatant-, mercatans, from present participle of mercatare to trade, frequentative of Latin mercari -- more at MARKET
Date: 13th century
1 : a buyer and seller of commodities for profit : TRADER
2 : the operator of a retail business : STOREKEEPER
3 : one that is noted for a particular quality or activity : SPECIALIST <a speed merchant on the base paths>
- merchant adjective

560 posted on 08/26/2003 8:49:42 AM PDT by austinTparty
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