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When will Moore's monument be moved? (Who will replace Judge Moore?)
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Posted on 08/25/2003 2:04:40 PM PDT by Happy2BMe

When will Moore's monument be moved?

08/25/03By SALLIE OWEN and BILL BARROW
Capital Bureau

MONTGOMERY -- J. Gorman Houston Jr. will begin his first workday as Alabama's acting chief justice today armed with an attorney general's opinion granting him all the duties and authority given the chief justice.

Chief Justice Roy Moore was suspended from office immediately after a judicial ethics panel filed charges against him Friday. Charges stem from Moore's refusal to obey a federal court order and remove his Ten Commandments monument from public areas of the Alabama Judicial Building. The suspension lasts until the case is resolved by the Court of the Judiciary.

Moore is expected to make a public statement on the matter today.

Houston said Sunday that in his new role as acting chief justice, he could individually order the building manager to move the monument, as the eight associate justices did together Thursday morning. He said he might issue a duplicate order but had not made a final decision.

Attorney General Bill Pryor issued the opinion Saturday, answering several questions Houston posed a day earlier to clarify his duties and responsibilities as acting chief justice.

The Alabama constitution states that judges shall be disqualified, or suspended, from "acting as a judge" while charges are pending with the Court of the Judiciary. State law specifies that, if the chief justice is "disabled" from carrying out his duties because of illness or other reason, the senior associate justice will assume those responsibilities.

Houston has served as an associate justice on Alabama's Supreme Court for nearly 18 years.

According to the opinion, Houston will also have hiring and firing authority over the administrative director of courts and all members of the chief justice's staff.

Houston said he would not make any personnel changes until after he meets with the associate justices, saying he wanted it to be a "democratic process."

Meanwhile, protesters covered the front portico of the judicial building and dotted downtown street corners for the fifth consecutive day. Temperatures reached 95 degrees in Montgomery, according to the National Weather Service, with a heat index in the triple digits.

The sermons, prayers and hymns of Moore's supporters carried on throughout the day, with a two-hour worship service in the morning, an afternoon prayer service and an evening rally.

Between 500 and 1,000 demonstrators crowded around the building listening to the evening speeches when someone noticed a young man perched on a third-story ledge of the judicial building. The rally went on as planned as Montgomery police and area rescue officials tried to talk the man, who did not appear to be threatening to jump, into coming down.

Protest organizers said the man, who had been around for a few days, largely had kept to himself throughout the weekend. Some said they only knew him by the name "Greg" and had no other information.

Organizer Troy Newman of Operation Rescue called for additional people to camp out over night at the judicial building because "something very critical could happen to the monument tomorrow morning."

No information on plans to move the monument was available from state officials. Moore supporters are expected to file a counter suit in a Mobile federal court today seeking to prevent anyone from moving the 5,300-pound chunk of granite.

The Rev. Patrick Mahoney, head of the Christian Defense Coalition, said the suit will name Alabama's eight remaining Supreme Court justices as defendants.

Mahoney informally addressed Moore supporters during the late afternoon, explaining to them the group's plan to block symbolically any effort to remove the monument. He told protesters "to kneel side-by-side in Christian love" to block authorities or heavy equipment from entering the building to remove the stone.

"But do not lock arms" or resist arrest, he said, before repeating, "Do not, do not lock arms." Mahoney told the group that protest leaders have discussed their civil disobedience procedures with law enforcement personnel. "When a policeman tells you to get up, get up."

Moore's supporters have attracted counter-protesters of their own. Bob Kunst arrived in Montgomery late last week after a 12-hour trip Miami Beach, Fla. A practicing Jew, Kunst said he opposes government displays of religion and wants to highlight that there are people of faith who disagree with Moore's manner of acknowledging the Almighty.

"God doesn't need symbolism. God is God," Kunst said, standing on the corner of Dexter Avenue and McDonough Street.

Kunst held a sign reading, "Sodomites For The Separation of Church and State," a dig at some Moore supporters who have hurled insults at him in recent days. Most of the protesters, however, have been friendly, Kunst said.

Across from Kunst, a small band of Moore supporters displayed a sign of their own: "The wicked shall be turned into Hell."

Also on Sunday, Larry Darby, director of American Atheists' Alabama chapter, announced plans to hold a rally Monday for supporters of separation of church and state. Darby said the event would take place across the street from the judicial building at 11 a.m.


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To: Byron_the_Aussie
So let's can the pretence about 'rudeness', okay?

You mention me, ping me.

I'd do the same for you.

121 posted on 08/25/2003 8:23:47 PM PDT by sinkspur (God's law is written on men's hearts, not a stone monument.)
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To: 185JHP
I dare say the Refiner is purifying the gold.

This is more though Like Shadrack, Meshack, and Abendigo.

Judge Moore is obying the Gretest Commandment:

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment." Matthew 22:37-38

122 posted on 08/25/2003 8:29:58 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Torie
Well, if you happen to be looking for Jesus, try my old neighborhood down in Miami.

Just stand out in the middle of the street and yell out the name, about a dozen people will answer.

123 posted on 08/25/2003 8:30:11 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The name sounds better in Spanish than English, or at least less pretentious to Anglophone ears. Heyzus. Cool. Thus perhaps its popularity among the Hispanic community. Just an off the cuff hypothesis.
124 posted on 08/25/2003 8:49:33 PM PDT by Torie (Q)
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To: Catspaw
You're a hypocrite, Byron. You can't brag about the war record of someone who was an MP and didn't get a scratch in Nam, but condemn me for mentioning a Congressional Medal of Honor winner, other decorated war veterans and people I knew personally who gave the ultimate sacrifice.

You're on thin ice. I wish you had a leg to stand on but you don't. By called you on it rightly.

125 posted on 08/25/2003 8:53:23 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Happy2BMe
Agree.
126 posted on 08/25/2003 8:54:37 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "All not actually on watch, lay to your racks...")
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To: Torie
It may have a whole lot to do with the overabundance of Jose's and Maria's around the 'hood.
127 posted on 08/25/2003 8:55:56 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
I'm here now, and you don't have what it takes to shut me up, things like what you posted, simply reflect back on you.

Put a sock in it, Luis. How did you gain citizenship, by bribery? You are a phony conservative through and through.

128 posted on 08/25/2003 8:56:44 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
You're not enough to get it done Fred...not enough.

Nor are the others waiting to push it.
129 posted on 08/25/2003 9:01:45 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (There's no such thing as a stupid question, there are however, many inquisitive morons out there...)
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To: Fred Mertz
Well my ancestors gained citizenship just by showing up. Timing is everything.
130 posted on 08/25/2003 9:02:05 PM PDT by Torie (Q)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Well, if you happen to be looking for Jesus, try my old neighborhood down in Miami. Just stand out in the middle of the street and yell out the name, about a dozen people will answer.

heh - Jesus saves; Beckham scores on the rebound.

131 posted on 08/25/2003 9:52:44 PM PDT by jjbrouwer (If this thread gets pulled, you can read an exact xerox in the "Tard Bar" at LP)
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To: Fred Mertz
Let your good buddy Tard know.
132 posted on 08/26/2003 5:02:49 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: TheBattman
Madison's position, as well as that of Jefferson who influenced him, is fairly clear.

Madisons position is clear alright but not in your favor.

Both he and Jefferson supported and voted for the state of Virginias' Sabbath Laws which were drawn directly from the Fourth Commandment.

Back to the drawing board.

133 posted on 08/26/2003 5:11:53 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Madisons position is clear alright but not in your favor.

Both he and Jefferson supported and voted for the state of Virginias' Sabbath Laws which were drawn directly from the Fourth Commandment.

Back to the drawing board.

How is that not in my favor?

134 posted on 08/26/2003 5:45:19 AM PDT by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman
I must have misunderstood your position. Can you clarify it as to the mythical "Wall of Saparation"?
135 posted on 08/26/2003 5:50:51 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
It's simple - there is no constitutional "Wall of Separation" between church and state.

The founding fathers were quite clear in their intent regarding religion - the state should not interefere with the free practice of religion, and should not create a mandatory belief/regigion system. Nowhere does the constitution indicate that there should be a "separation", just simply that the congress shall pass no laws that interfere with religion.
136 posted on 08/26/2003 8:09:19 AM PDT by TheBattman
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To: TheBattman
You must not have read the ballance of my post.

Actually, I did and I agree with your views. When I said the separation of church and state is found in "one of the penumbras" I was being sarcastic. When the courts want to invent a constitutional doctrine that isn't in the Constitution they sometimes claim the doctrine is in the "penumbra" or shadow of the document, as in Roe v. Wade. I should have closed my sarcasm tag.

137 posted on 08/26/2003 9:42:56 AM PDT by colorado tanker (Iron Horse)
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