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I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Pat, but there's this arrow of causality thingie that people seem to have trouble with. The fact of the matter is that we went to them first before they came to us. Now, if one wants to argue that our reasons for meddling in Mideast affairs is justified, that's one thing, but the fact still remains..

Pat obviously thinks our global police work in the Mideast is unnecessary and unbeneficial.

[Huck]

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with Pat, but there's this arrow of causality thingie that people seem to have trouble with. The fact of the matter is that we went to them first before they came to us. Now, if one wants to argue that our reasons for meddling in Mideast affairs is justified, that's one thing, but the fact still remains..

Who's we? The fact is that the British were in the Middle East before the Americans. The fact is that all the parties went to the UN. The world is engaged. You can't hide from it. Least of all if you are the leader of the cause of freedom and civilization. That's us, PJB be damned. We do what we think is right. If terrorists then conclude that it is right for them to commmit terror, we will--finally--show them the consequences of such thinking. If we all pulled our pants down and greased up our bungholes, then probably we wouldn't have had an attack on 9-11.

Pat obviously thinks our global police work in the Mideast is unnecessary and unbeneficial.

Pat benefits from being totally and completely irresponsible.