Roy Moore: In God I Trust

Opinion Journal ^ | 08/25/03 | ROY S. MOORE

[Pokey78]

Why I'm standing up for the Ten Commandments in Alabama.

MONTGOMERY, Ala.--The battle over the Ten Commandments monument I brought into Alabama's Supreme Court is not about a monument and not about politics. (The battle is not even about religion, a term defined by our Founders as "the duty we owe to our creator and the manner for discharging it.") Federal Judge Myron Thompson, who ordered the monument's removal, and I are in perfect agreement on the fact that the issue in this case is: "Can the state acknowledge God?"

[an amused spectator]

You are wrong. It was three.

And you're full of pig-poop, as usual, troll - unless Richard Story suddenly became a member of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, instead still being a member of the U. S. District Court for the Northern District of Georgia.

[lugsoul]

Do you know what sitting by designation means, AAShole?

[an amused spectator]

Right. Richard Story is from U. S. District Court, Northern District of Georgia - not the 11th District Court of Appeals.

[lugsoul]

"unless Richard Story suddenly became a member of the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals"

For this case, he did, AAShole.

Judge Roy lost. Deal with it.

[Robert_Paulson2]

Gee the preacher thinks the problem here is that "followers" of Christ may be wanting to enforce those statues on us, without enforcing them on themselves first eh?

and the Chronicles, comment... looks familiar to me... almost like somebody has been reading our comments, and some of our freeper home pages.

What the preacher fails to mention is that technically, we won't be living the ten commandments, unless and until we actually start carrying them out in our own lives. Adulterors killed, sabaath breakers, stoned to death... et al.

This he knows but is afraid to say in public.
Killing all the adulterors and sabaath breakers would be only the first step in obeying God's Old Covenant laws... and none of the rest of them are all that pleasant either. Sick folks with skin infections would no longer be treated in hospitals, but left to die in colonies of "lepers". Women would be sent out of the city to internment camps once a month for the carrying out of their "uncleaness" rituals.

This would look a whole lot like a sharia nation if we were to carry out Moses' law (Which even JESUS refused to exercise on the adultress and others). This is why the commandments need to be done away with in government buildings, I suspect. We don't need our court buildings set up as "judeo christian" madrasssas.

The commandments are a personal commitment for many of us.
They don't belong in our nation's laws. And folks who assert that somehow they are, if honest, would have to admit... we have not stoned any adulterors or adultresses this week... and we are WAY behind schedule if we want to please the Mosaic God with our level of "compliance". A level of compliance that Jesus was unwilling, yet capable of fulfilling as the Living God, HIMSELF living amongst us as a man.

I don't want sharia, whether it be islamic or judiastic... as the law of this land. Neither did the founders. Judge Moore has done an evil thing... in that he has intentionally sowed MUCH discord amongst the brethren. Religious bloodshed will be the result as that is the PENALTY for mixing religion with government, in the annals of history... it always has been the case.

the more things change, the MOORE they stay the same.

[Robert_Paulson2]

all 10...
how many did the Judge carve into the state housed statue?

[Robert_Paulson2]

GREAT history lesson...
"Toe the LINE!" should be carved in stone and placed in our own congressional halls...
just kidding.

[Robert_Paulson2]

I agree.
Everybody gets to "play" religion, or Nobody does.

In a capitalistic system all religions should be given equal liberty, and may the system that works best (in getting people to spiritual center with God) wins.

The "my way only" is equivalent to a "monopoly" and I suspect the judge is a religious "monopolist". Too bad he denied others the access he demanded for his own "statue". This could have easily been avoided. But then again, he wanted this controversy, for political gain... I believe.

And so do his colleagues.

[an amused spectator]

Notice how torqued ol' lugtroll gets when he thinks about Moore? HOW DARE SOMEONE DISPUTE THE HOLY WORDS OF THE MIGHTY DRUID MYRON THOMPSON!!?!!?! ;-)

What kind of law geek really wants to be ruled by the 800 Holy Federal Druids/Philosopher-Kings? You can see a few on these Moore threads, and it ain't a pretty sight. :-)

[an amused spectator]

Contrary to the disputations of Those That Must Always Be "Right", Richard Story is STILL from U. S. District Court, Northern District of Georgia - not the 11th District Court of Appeals. ;-)

[hocndoc]

From Thompson's ruling

http://www.almd.uscourts.gov/Opinions/Glassroth%20v%20Moore%20Opinion.pdf
""But, in announcing
this holding today, the court believes it is important to
clarify at the outset that the court does not hold that it is
improper in all instances to display the Ten Commandments in
government buildings; nor does the court hold that the Ten
Commandments are not important, if not one of the most
important, sources of American law. Rather the court's limited
holding, as will be explained below in more detail, is that the
Chief Justice's actions and intentions in this case crossed the
Establishment Clause line between the permissible and the
impermissible."
Thompson does not deny that the 10 Commandments are "one of the most important sources of American law."

He doesn't like what Moore says about them. And he does not want God mentioned.

[TigersEye]

Killing all the adulterors and sabaath breakers would be only the first step in obeying God's Old Covenant laws... ...Sick folks with skin infections would no longer be treated in hospitals, but left to die in colonies of "lepers". Women would be sent out of the city to internment camps once a month for the carrying out of their "uncleaness" rituals.

The commandments are a personal commitment for many of us.

I reckon it's not much of a commitment unless you're carrying it out the way you describe it. Or are you just bloviating for the sake of bloviating?

[F16Fighter]

"My question is based upon the claim that the 10 Commandments are the foundation for the laws in this country. Please answer my question. Thanks."

143 posted on 08/25/2003 10:42 AM EDT by snerkel

"Thou shalt not kill...Murder is a crime. All degrees of murder are crimes.

Thou shalt not steal...This covers grand theft, embezzlement and right on down to petty shoplifiting.

Thou shalt not commit adultry...Yep, it is still illegal in some states.

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor...Perjury comes to mind.

Want more?"

154 posted on 08/25/2003 1:48 PM EDT by PleaseNoMore

Whether you produce one more or ten more Judeo-Christian correlatives to American law, this ilk abides only by its own delusions which fit need only their leftist One-World humanist agenda.

[an amused spectator]

...In the face of rising case loads, the United States Courts of Appeals have turned with greater frequency to the practice of using federal district court judges to complete three-judge appellate panels.

While the circuit courts have formal rules for the random assignment of active circuit court judges to these panels, the rules governing the selection of visiting district court judges are more informal. In fact, district court judge designation to appeals panels is at the discretion of the chief judge. As a result, chief judges are provided with a tool by which to select a jurist who reflects his or her ideological bent.

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Anderson, R[obert] Lanier III (Nominated by Jimmy Carter on April 18, 1979, to a new seat created by 92 Stat. 1629)

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The Decatur Daily, MONDAY, JUNE 2, 2003

...The three judges chosen to hear the appeal in Montgomery were randomly selected more than a year ago...

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Elevated: Court of Appeals Judge J. L. Edmondson, to Chief Judge, U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit, succeeding Judge R. Lanier Anderson, III, June 1. Judge Anderson retains active status, and not, as reported in the June TTB, senior status.

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A fascinating development - it appears as though a Democrat was appointed by a Democrat, and ended up ruling against Moore.

[F16Fighter]

"Trolls in FReeps clothing."

Regarding these Freepers as RINOs is insulting to Olympia Snowe and New York Mayor Bloomberg...

Of course, that was assuming our FR cohorts weren't social Marxists to begin with.

[TigersEye]

From Myron H. Thompson, United States District Judge, in his ruling:

The Chief Justice installed the monument with neither the approval nor the knowledge of the Alabama Supreme Court's other eight justices. He made all final decisions with regard to the specific language appearing on the monument, as well as its size, shape, color and location within the Judicial Building. No tax dollars were used in the monument's construction or installation. Chief Justice Moore has final authority over what decorations may be placed in the Judicial Building rotunda.

If Justice Moore has final authority why would he have to inform or get the approval of the other eight justices? This kind of third grade ass covering of an obvious agenda is what you get from a U.S. District Court Judge? Pathetic!

[Lurking Libertarian]

A fascinating development - it appears as though a Democrat was appointed by a Democrat, and ended up ruling against Moore.

The Chief Judge of the Circuit picks district court judges to sit by designation on the Court of Appeals for a designated time, but doesn't decide which cases they will hear; that is done randomly. Besides, the decision against Moore was unanimous-- two Republican judges voted against him as well.

[F16Fighter]

"A fascinating development - it appears as though a Democrat was appointed by a Democrat, and ended up ruling against Moore."

Fascinating coincidence indeed....

This reminds us that while a plethora of Dubya court appointments have been stalled, and replacements for liberal Clintonites are still not in place half way into Bush's election win, far too many of Bubba's court appointees are yet every single day ruling against others like Moore, on ANY conservative issues.

MEMO TO DUBYA: GET ON THE STICK!

[Robert_Paulson2]

Take your complaint to that bloviating ApostleJames:

"For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. " James 2:10.

It seems that according to James... we have an "all or none proposition." I take it that you did not know this. We cannot have "halfway" measures with God's commands. Now you know.

Rules of God are rules. You either must stone the adultress, and the sabaath breaker, or else... simply admit, we do not accept God's Old Testament commands to Israel as being part of our civil laws. and drop it.

They are of historical importance and if displayed as such, are just fine. It should be noted that statues installed with this premise are just fine. They are tolerated even venerated all over the nation...

But then again, they are not actually being treated as the only source of our laws... by being the ONLY displays tolerated by certain State Supreme Court Cheif Justices.

You got a problem with bloviating "all or none propositions" on this matter, take it up with James. He wrote it. You and the Judge should take it up with HIM... not me. Maybe you can straighten him out.

< / bloviating by person who disagrees with phony values dressed up as statues and monumental slabs >

[TigersEye]

That's what I thought. Just blowing smoke.