To achieve peace, all-out war on terrorism is only path in Middle East

Detroit News ^ | 8/24/03 | Nolan Finley

[Jean S]

With the blood of its children running through the streets of Jerusalem, Israel has no choice but to crumple the road map to peace and instead draft a battle plan for combatting terrorism.

Any hope for a political solution to the violence in the Middle East vanished in the bus bombing Tuesday, which killed 20 and maimed scores of others, many of them children.

[tet68]

Perhaps he can get the PA to give back all those M-16s.

Although it WOULD be better to strip them from their cold dead hands.

[Alouette]

it could create a worldwide hatred for the US and Israel even worse than what exists now.

I doubt it.

[Charles H. (The_r0nin)]

If it is Israels intent to go after Palestinian civilians in an "eye-for-an-eye" payback...

You have an interesting definition of "civilians." Just so I'm clear on this, do you consider members of Hamas and Islamic Jihad civilians? How about Zacharias Moussaoui? What about Al Qaida and the 19 guys who flew into the Twin Towers? What about the men who helped the 19 plan it? Are all of these men "civilians"? I eagerly await your answer...

[robertpaulsen]

"Hell, I'd personally foot the bill to ship a crapload of nerve gas over there just to make sure there wasn't anything left alive."

Really? Then ship them some Zyklon B and we'll have come full circle.

"The mistake you're making is in equating the 'palestinians' with something that resembles a civilized human being. They aren't."

Hey, Lurker, that's right out of Der Stürmer:
"the notion that Jews are not part of humanity and therefore not entitled to the protection we instinctively accord a human being."

Man, you were born 60 years too late -- you would have made a great Nazi.

[robertpaulsen]

My post concerned the use of excessive force with American supplied weapons. But, you want to know my definition of civilians?

Well, when you fire laser-guided missiles from an F-16 into an apartment building at night, anyone who is killed (other than your intended target) is a civilian. A non-combatant.

If the IDF insists on acting just like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Zacharias Moussaoui, Al Qaida, the 19 guys who flew into the Twin Towers and the men who helped the 19 plan it, then let then do it without American supplied fighter aircraft and tanks.

[FreedomCalls]

Well, when you fire laser-guided missiles from an F-16 into an apartment building at night, anyone who is killed (other than your intended target) is a civilian. A non-combatant.

That is true on the face of it. But the Geneva and Hague Conventions specifically prohibit combatants from hiding among civilians. If they do, then the responsibility for the deaths of those civilians lies not with the offensive side, the responsibility for the deaths of those civilians lives with the defensive side for using non-combatants as human shields. It is a war crime to hide combatants among civilians.

The United States Army Air Force and the United Kingdom Royal Air Force killed many millions of civilians in bombing military targets in Germany in WWII. Upon which side did the resposibility for those deaths lie?

[FreedomCalls]

In fact, if you take notice of such things, the leading terrorists are now going everywhere surrounded by children. This is a deliberate act. It is to ensure that if the IDF attacks them that they can point to the dead children used as human shields to claim the Israelis are targeting Palestinian children. It is a lie. If you consider the head of Islamic Jihad a "combatant" then what he is doing is a war crime. Responsibility for the death of any of those children lies with the Palestinians.

Islamic Jihad leader Nafez Azzam, wanted by Israel, joins activists marching towards the house mourning of Hamas leader Abu Shanab to pay their respects in Gaza City, Saturday, Aug. 23 2003. Abu Shanab was killed in an Israeli rocket attack Thursday, one day after a suicide attack on a bus that left 20 dead in Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Jerome Delay)

[Lurker]

Zyklon B would be innefficient. I recommend Sarin.

The Israelis didn't blow up a 'pali' bus full of kids did they?

I'd make a good Nazi eh, well you'ld make a damn fine suicide bomber. I recommend you pursue that career choice forthwith.

Regards,

L

[Lurker]

It would be impossible for the Israelis to use 'excessive force' at this point.

They need to shove all those animals back into Jordan, Syria, and Egypt at the point of a bayonet, then raze those stinking slums they call villages to the dirt and sow the ground with salt and anti-personnel mines.

The 'palis' have forfeited the right to be treated as a civilized society. They aren't.

L

[FreedomCalls]

It would be impossible for the Israelis to use 'excessive force' at this point. They need to shove all those animals back into Jordan, ...

Actually, the State Department needs to put pressure of the most severe kind on Jordan to enter into its former territory of the west bank and use its military to clean out the rat's nest of Palestinian terrorists. Israel cannot do it without repercussions, Jordan can.

[John Frum]

SCORCHED EARTH FOR PALESTINE IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN. SHOW NO MERCY.