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Bustamante Leads Schwarznegger in Recall Race [McClintock gettng 21% of GOP Votes]
LA Times (Registration Required) ^ | August 24, 2003 | staff writer

Posted on 08/24/2003 7:26:00 AM PDT by prarie earth

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To: veronica
The ego trip is Arnold's. Arnold has no principles
he is running just to feed his ego.

McClintock is running to turn the state around.

Arnold can't win he has negatives that are approaching
50% already. And Arnold only go down in the polls.
221 posted on 08/24/2003 12:02:43 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: rdb3
That's correct. Hispanics here in TX are not a Democrat "lock." They do trend 50/50 between the Pubs and the RATS.

If they even vote at all. Tony Sanchez only managed slightly over 60% of Hispanics that voted in the gubernatorial race last year, but the Hispanic turnout was abysmal. President Bush might win over 50% of Hispanics in Texas next year. Too bad conservatives in California don't really care about winning (better to stick to principle and lose, right?) or George W. Bush might do something similar with the Hispanic vote there as well next year, possibly even winning their state.

222 posted on 08/24/2003 12:04:37 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (I just don't get it, do I?)
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To: Hoverbug
"The DNC could not have said it better."

Thanks, If McClintock were to tell the truth, he could not have said it better either.
223 posted on 08/24/2003 12:07:18 PM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: Yaelle
They can easily go after the simple fact he is
not qualified and can even begin to address
the problems of the state.
224 posted on 08/24/2003 12:09:20 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: cyncooper
Because they are just playing politics.
225 posted on 08/24/2003 12:10:25 PM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: Princeliberty
"They can easily go after the simple fact he is
not qualified and can even begin to address
the problems of the state."

... and chase all the Dem crossovers back to Bustamantes waiting arms....

Good Plan !
226 posted on 08/24/2003 12:12:15 PM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: Princeliberty
Sorry for my previous post... I thought you were explaining a possible McClintock strategy, not a Dem strategy.

... both they would both have the same effect - Gov. Bustamonte...
227 posted on 08/24/2003 12:24:36 PM PDT by RS (nc)
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To: KQQL
They want to win......what's wrong with that.........??

Huh?

Did I say there was anything wrong with their support?

NO.

What I am saying is they are conservative congressman who did not put their fingers in the air, but came out for Schwarzenegger right off the bat.

This demonstrates that those here who shriek that "Arnold is a RINO" and say any Republican who supports him is just a RINO, are full of you-know-what.

228 posted on 08/24/2003 12:35:52 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Princeliberty
I see. Everybody is playing politics or being self-serving but St. Tom.

Riiiiiiiiight.
230 posted on 08/24/2003 12:40:05 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: prarie earth
But Rush really has changed his views a lot..saying 'how Arnold got his conservative groove back'

Rush spanks all of you who are timid about pushing a conservative right now when the time is ripe to elect a REAL conservative.

California Needs Conservatism

California is a liberal proving-ground run amok. Its crushing debt - resulting from years of pandering to unions, bureaucrats, illegal immigrants, environmentalists and trial lawyers - has led to huge tax increases, major cuts in basic services, a reduction in the state's credit rating, brown-outs, water shortages and a large exodus of citizens from the state.

None of this decay is surprising. The left's promises of Nirvana never measure up. But what does surprise me are the reactions of some conservatives who see California's problems as so severe that they can't be solved by the application of conservative principles. Their thinking has led them to support Arnold Schwarzenegger, who, to my knowledge, has yet to embrace any conservative positions, though he has embraced Warrent Buffett. Hasta la vista, whatever.

There's no better time to advance conservative principles than when they're most needed. And California needs a large dose of conservatism. Recent history should be our guide.
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Conservatives need to learn from Ronald Reagan. They need to stop being timid, pessimistic, and insecure. California needs solutions. There is no better time and place to establish and illustrate the primacy of conservatism. True, not all of California's problems mirror those of the late '70s and '80s, but many do, particularly those that forced this recall. Now, if one man with a vision completely changed the course of a nation, why can't it happen in a single state?
-Rush Limbaugh, Wall Street Journal, 20 August 2003

Obviously, Rush is saying that we need a true conservative and one with vision. And he makes it clear that it isn't Arnold who, he says, "has yet to embrace any conservative positions."

Rush doesn't rehabilitate Arnold much at all in the whole 'Arnold Got His (Conservative) Groove Back' thing. Far from it. Rush's support of Arnold's alleged conservative credentials it as tepid as Coulter's. So Arnold brought in Schultz? And?! That certainly doesn't immediately make him a conservative. Other people he's brought into his campaign detract from the conservative illusion. For example, he's brought in A. Jerrold Perenchio, the leftist CEO of the Univision and a long-time Davis supporter.

And I'm now going to add another bullet to the list of Arnold's non-conservative views:


231 posted on 08/24/2003 12:50:18 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: Princeliberty
Just curious..... Do you reside in CA? You don't display your flag and seem to have some knowledge of the state?

Thanks.
232 posted on 08/24/2003 12:51:01 PM PDT by deport (OCT 7, it cometh too soon for some... ARNOLD has the heavy MOJO)
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To: 1stFreedom
"bustamonte = swartznegger = davis. Might as well keep davis. "

I'm thinking bustamonte is the best choice. If Arnold isn't conservative and McClintock unelectable, then sadly but surely what California needs is an orgy of liberal policies that brings the fever to a boil. Neither Arnold nor McClintock could reform the state in two years given a democratic legislature. So, I think you need to crash the whole system.

233 posted on 08/24/2003 12:51:16 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: Texas_Dawg
You know you're pushing the right conservative principle when Chancellor Pulpatine attacks you.
234 posted on 08/24/2003 12:55:43 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: prarie earth
Who do you support for Governor of California now that Bill Simon has dropped out?

McClintock 331 votes - 50%
Schwarzenegger 292 votes - 44%
Other 11 votes - 1%
Undecided 23 votes - 3%

If this were a Republican primary and only Freepers voted, I'd have to suggest, "Asta La Vista, Arnold".

235 posted on 08/24/2003 12:56:12 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: cyncooper
What about Dana Rohrabacher and David Dreier supporting Schwarzenegger wholeheartedly----from day one?

Don't they count? Why is their support continuously ignored?

I think I get it, cyn. Rohrbacher and Dreier have actually been elected to office in California - therefore they aren't pure enough to be considered anything but RINOS.

236 posted on 08/24/2003 12:56:27 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: prarie earth
I'm not a resident of CA, so I take a more "nationally strategic" view. In that view, the best outcome for the state and the nation is the election of Arnold as Governor. Here's why:

Any R is better than any D, and Arnold has the best chance among all of the R's. With Arnold in the governor's seat, the D's will be forced to spend money in California in the 2004 presidential race. They will get no free photo ops with a compliant D governor. That's less money that they will have to spend nationally, which could lead to greater R gains across the country.

Now, I like EVERYTHING that I have recently heard and read about Tom McClintock. In keeping with my nationally strategic perspective, I'd like Tom to save himself for the next Senatorial election in CA. He's better suited to that role, and as a US Senator, he can share his principled conservatism with the rest of the country.
237 posted on 08/24/2003 1:03:54 PM PDT by Buck W.
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
If this were a Republican primary and only Freepers voted, I'd have to suggest, "Asta La Vista, Arnold".


Didn't the Massa Keyes win most Freeper polls?
238 posted on 08/24/2003 1:04:54 PM PDT by deport (OCT 7, it cometh too soon for some... ARNOLD has the heavy MOJO)
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To: Buck W.
If Tom is running at around 20% or above I say let him in the race for the long haul, anything else is wasting time..
239 posted on 08/24/2003 1:08:14 PM PDT by prarie earth
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To: sruleoflaw
Don't tell Veronia what to do. I'll tell you what I am going to do, I am going to be saying over and over that I hope the blame gets placed squarely on McClintock's shoulders when his fat ego ends up causing the state of California to slide into the Pacific Ocean!
240 posted on 08/24/2003 1:25:50 PM PDT by rodeo-mamma (They sure can dish it out, but they can't take it, ain't that the truth!!!)
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