[At _War_With_Liberals]

Conservatism is de facto 'dead'.

Like Latin as a spoken language. It has obviously been defeated by the party of socialists (Dims), and from within by the neocons.

Conservatives remaining in govt cannot be trusted anymore because they either sold out or (by and large) stood by and did nothing as the Neocons usurped power against the mandate of the 2002 election. The voters never signed on for huge spending and larger govt and limited individual rights, but they pushed it all thru anyway.

There will be a schism in the Republican party, with a new movement that is to the right of the old school conservatives. That is my hope, at least.

[steve50]

Conservatism is de facto 'dead'.They keep the name alive, and that's about it. The neocon faction has at least admitted what they intend. Read Kristol's Aug. 25 piece.

[tkathy]

I know I am going to get it for this, but the fiscal policies (which are brilliant and intellectual) haven't been defeated from outside sources as much as defeating itself with the endless emotional social issues.