JUST HOW BAD WERE LIBERALS IN THE SIXTIES ? WORSE THAN ANY COULD HAVE IMAGINED .....

8/24/03 | cousinkoala

[wardaddy]

lol

[wardaddy]

You are correct. The lefties were a minority but they were loud and the media became sympathetic to them.

[BradyLS]

Yes, and with the help of disgrunlted conservatives who turned on Bush 41

As a disgruntled conservative, #41 had it coming. "Read my lips: I WILL SELL YOU OUT!"

[Consort]

As a disgruntled conservative, #41 had it coming.

Then you are part of the problem. That flawed rationale led, in part, to 8 scandal-filled years of the Clintons — so far — and they're not through with us yet, thanks to disgruntled people like you. Disgruntled people don't think straight. So, don't blame your mistakes on Bush or on anybody else.

[Barnacle]

Had war been declared by Congress , Tom Hayden would have been tried for treason .

Reason enough to avoid military conflicts unless we first declare war.

[cousinkoala]

I like your name ' 68 - 69onkinGulfYachtClub ' lol.

[BradyLS]

Oh yes, thanks to me, the Clintons broke the law and continue to break the law. That's the sort of pretzel logic I'd expect to hear from fellow disgruntled conservative.

[Consort]

If you did anything that helped to elect Clinton, then you have to accept blame. Bush ran a lousy campaign after the "read my lips" thing, but many of us voted for him because we knew better then to allow the Clintons into our White House. If more people also knew better, the Clintons would be back in Arkansas....no scandals, no biggest tax increase, no Senator Hillary, no 370+ Liberal judges appointed plus 2 Liberal Supreme Court Justices, no wag the dogs, etc, etc. It was a rotten 8 years, because disgruntle conservatives wanted to "teach Bush a lesson." How foolish.

[BradyLS]

Call it... blowback.

[BradyLS]

Or rather, What Comes Around, Goes Around.

[Consort]

It can't be rationalized with hollow excuses. Certain voters screwed up — big time. We still don't know the full extent of the damage.

[BradyLS]

...But Bush takes the lion's share of all blame. He's the man who made a promise to the American people. He's the man who listened to a pack of Democrats on Capitol Hill who stroked his ego. I guess the esteem of rank and file Republicans weren't enough for him to withstand the onslaught of people he knew to be liars and working against him. I guess the one man we expected to stand on principle couldn't. Gotta make a deal. Gotta save the Office. Gotta keep the entitlement checks flowing. Maybe he thought the voters didn't matter. Maybe you do, too. But I have a vote and the Republicans have to earn it. They don't get get it by default. If they campaign one way and operate another, then they don't get my vote. But yours is their pocket. You've sold. Not me.

Bush turned his back on Reagan and paved the way for Clinton. That's on his shoulders and no amount of spinning on your part is going to change that.

[Eva]

bump

[BradyLS]

Keep telling yourself that: "It's not me. It's not my fault. I voted for the man who sold me."

[Consort]

...But Bush takes the lion's share of all blame.

Wrong. He did nothing at anytime that justified 8 years of the Clintons. You can't explain that away. That's the way it is. Keep trying.

[BradyLS]

It was a rotten 8 years, because disgruntle conservatives wanted to "teach Bush a lesson." How foolish.

Sure. More blame. Blame it on the men and women who voted in Senate and House Majorities for the Republicans in 1994, 96, 98, and 2000. Right. It's the voter's fault that the Senate choked when impeachment was in their hands. We vote the majorities, our elected leaders waffle on impeachment and go-along to get-along on spending measures to "steal" issues from the Democrats. When you're ready to move on to the real battles of Conservative vs. Liberal and quit the kiddie game of "R" vs. "D," let me know.

[BradyLS]

That's a non-sequiter. Bush lost the trust of the people, and the people voted for somebody else. The crimes of the Clintons are the Clintons. We gave the Republicans thew tools to impeach the man and vote the man out. They choked on impeachment and ran a straw man in 96. Wake up.

[Consort]

That mentality will doom us to repeat that same mistake again and again.

...and the people voted for somebody else.

The people screwed up, just like I've been saying. What don't you understand about that?

[BradyLS]

The people screwed up, just like I've been saying. What don't you understand about that?

You haven't proven that the people made a mistake. It doesn't follow, for example, that voting for Perot means Bush will lose, or that Clinton will win. (Voting for the candidate of your choice is not a "mistake.") Bush must have done something wrong to lose a job approval of 90+% during the Gulf War. Gee, what mistake could HE have made?

If you think voting for Perot = 8 years of Clinton, then you can use the same twisted logic to say that the voters put an end to 8 years of mistakes under Bush by cutting him of at 4. But you'd rather hold Bush blameless.

Ironically, you echo Peter Jennings during the Congressional races of '94. He said America threw a "temper tantrum" when they threw the bums out. You say much the same thing when you say voters "made a mistake" in 92. Only this time, your man lost. Regardless of party affiliation, it's part of the same mindset: The electorate must not have the same annointed vision that you think you have. Bull. '92 was for Bush to lose-- and he found a way to do it.

Nice dodge on '96 and and the impeachment vote, BTW.

[Consort]

...your man lost.

Who was your man?

You haven't proven that the people made a mistake.

Electing Liberals/Socialists is a mistake, anytime and everytime until proven otherwise. You already know that.

Regardless of party affiliation, it's part of the same mindset...

It's all about party affiliation and the mindset was flawed but there are still many who refuse that face that fact and there is a possibility that the same mistake will be made in 2004.

'92 was for Bush to lose-- and he found a way to do it.

There you go again. The people and the country lost when the voters put Clinton in office.

Nice dodge on '96 and and the impeachment vote, BTW.

What did the impeachment have to do with the electorate? The people had no vote in that. The mistake of '92 led to the mistake of '96. Very costly mistakes.