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Death of Manufacturing
The American Conservative ^ | 8/23/03 | nonglobalist

Posted on 08/23/2003 7:42:02 AM PDT by cp124

Death of Manufacturing

The rise of free trade has eroded America’s industrial base and with it our sovereignty.

By Patrick J. Buchanan

After Mass at St. Mary’s, a retired FBI agent who had worked as a boy in the great steel plant in Weirton, W.Va., whose father had died in an accident at the mill, handed me the Weirton Daily Times. “Where Do We Go From Here?” read the May 20 banner. The front page was devoted to the bankruptcy filing of Weirton Steel, which had once employed 14,000 workers in a town of 23,000. Mark Glyptis, president of the Independent Steelworkers Union, said it didn’t have to happen. It was a poignant story. When I began my campaign of 2000 at the Weirton mill, Mark and his ISU endorsed me.

That same week, a friend e-mailed me. Timco, a lumber mill where we spent the last day of the New Hampshire campaign of 1996, had shut down. As Weirton Steel had been hammered by subsidized steel dumped in the U.S. market, Timco had to compete with subsidized lumber from Canada.

Across America the story is the same: steel and lumber mills going into bankruptcy; textile plants moving to the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, and the Far East; auto plants closing and opening overseas; American mines being sealed and farms vanishing. Seven hundred thousand textile workers—many of them minorities and single women—have lost their jobs since NAFTA passed in 1993.

Thirty years have elapsed since our free-trade era began and 30 months since George W. Bush became president. It’s time to measure the promise of global free trade against the performance.

Undeniably, free trade has delivered for consumers. A trip to the mall, where the variety of suits, shoes, shirts, toys, gadgets, games, TVs, and appliances abounds, makes the case. But what has it cost our country?

Every month George Bush has been in office, America has lost manufacturing jobs. One in seven has vanished since his inauguration. In 1950, a third of our labor force was in manufacturing. Now, it is 12.5 percent. U.S. manufacturing is in a death spiral, and it is not a natural death. This is a homicide. Open-borders free trade is killing American manufacturing.

In 2002, we ran a trade deficit in goods of $484 billion. This May, it reached the level of $562 billion, nearly 6 percent of GDP. Evangelists of free trade tell us trade deficits do not matter. Michael Boskin, Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under Bush I, declared, “It does not make any difference whether a country makes computer chips or potato chips.”

History teaches otherwise. In 1860, Britain abandoned its Britain First trade policy for the free-trade faith of David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill, and Richard Cobden. By World War I, Britain, which produced twice what America did in 1860, produced less than half and had been surpassed by a Germany that did not even exist in 1860.

Free trade does to a nation what alcohol does to a man: saps him first of his vitality, then his energy, then his independence, then his life.

America today exhibits the symptoms of a nation passing into late middle age. We spend more than we earn. We consume more than we produce.

Why does it matter where our goods are produced? Because, as I wrote in The Great Betrayal:

Manufacturing is the key to national power. Not only does it pay more than service industries, the rates of productivity growth are higher and the potential of new industries arising is far greater. From radio came television, VCRs, and flat-panel screens. From adding machines came calculators and computers. From the electric typewriter came the word processors. Research and development follow manufacturing.

Alexander Hamilton, the architect of the U.S. economy, knew this. He had served in the Revolution as aide to Washington and lived through the British blockades. He had led the bayonet charge at Yorktown. And he had resolved that never again would his country’s survival depend upon French muskets or French ships.

As first Treasury Secretary, he delivered in 1791 the “Report on Manufactures,” one of America’s great state papers. Reflecting on how close his country had come to losing its liberty, Hamilton wrote,

Not only the wealth, but the independence and security of a country, appear to be materially connected with the prosperity of manufactures. Every nation … ought to endeavor to possess within itself all the essentials of a national supply. These comprise the means of subsistence, habitation, clothing and defense.

Under the Constitution he helped write, a national free-trade zone was created. Hamilton’s idea was to use tariffs to end our dependence on Europe and force British merchants to finance our government and the roads, harbors, and canals that would tie America together with commerce.

Tariffs would give our national government the revenue to operate, while providing our people both privileged access to the fastest growing market on earth and incentives to go into manufacturing. With American manufacturing thus encouraged, we would soon produce ourselves the guns and ships to defend the republic and the necessities of our national life so we could stand alone against the world.

For 12 decades, America followed Hamilton’s vision. On the eve of World War I, the 13 agricultural colonies on the eastern seaboard had become the richest nation on earth with the highest standard of living, a republic that produced 96 percent of all it consumed while exporting 8 percent of its GNP, an industrial colossus that manufactured more than Britain, France, and Germany combined.

The self-sufficiency and industrial power Hamiltonian policies created enabled us to rearm in security, crush the Axis in four years, rebuild Europe and Japan, and outlast the Soviet empire in a Cold War, while meeting all the needs of our people.

But in the Clinton-Bush free-trade era, Alexander Hamilton is derided as a “protectionist.” Woodrow Wilson’s free-trade dogma is gospel. Result: our trade surpluses have vanished, our deficits have exploded, our self-sufficiency has been lost, our sovereignty has been diminished, and an industrial base that was the envy of mankind has been gutted.

And for what? All that junk down at the mall? What do we have now that we did not have before we submitted to this cult of free trade?

The Loss of Independence

Consider the depths of our new dependency. Imports, 4 percent of GDP for the first 70 years of the 20th century, are near 15 percent now, and 30 percent of the manufactures we consume. Pat Choate, author of Agents of Influence, gives the following levels of U.S. dependency on foreign suppliers for critical goods:

* Medicines and pharmaceuticals: 72 percent * Metalworking machinery: 51 percent * Engines and power equipment: 56 percent * Computer equipment: 70 percent * Communications equipment: 67 percent * Semiconductors and electronics: 64 percent

In July, the U.S. Business and Industrial Council reported that the Pentagon officials responsible for procuring U.S. weapons had joined with defense industries to oppose legislation requiring 65 percent U.S. content. U.S. missile defense and the Joint Strike Fighter would be imperiled if 65 percent of the components had to be made in the USA.

As Choate writes, Dell Computers of Austin has 4,500 suppliers. Its just-in-time supply line, which stretches across the Atlantic and Pacific, has an inventory of four days. A dock strike on either coast, and Dell begins to close down after 96 hours.

The Loss of Sovereignty

In the lame-duck session of Congress after the GOP triumph of 1994, Bob Dole and Newt Gingrich colluded with Clinton to bring us into a World Trade Organization where we are outvoted 15-1 by the European Union. In its most important ruling, the WTO has held that the foreign sales corporations of U.S. exporters like Microsoft and Boeing, set up to receive tax benefits voted by Congress, violate the rules of free trade.

Europe is now authorized to impose $4 billion in tariff penalties on U.S. exports if Congress fails to rewrite our tax laws to conform to WTO commands.

When America bailed out the world in the Asian crisis of 1997-98, Indonesia, South Korea, Russia, and Brazil devalued their currencies, slashing the dollar price of their exports. To enable them to earn the hard currency to pay back Western banks and the IMF, America agreed to keep her markets open. Soon, steel from Indonesia, South Korea, Japan, Russia, and Brazil was being dumped in the United States, and American mills were reeling.

The recent steel decision is instructive. By 2002, 25 steel companies had gone bankrupt, and the International Trade Commission had identified dumping as the industry killer. Invoking U.S. trade law, President Bush imposed tariffs. The dumpers howled and ran to the WTO, which declared the U.S. tariffs unjustified. Either the Congress removes them or the EU is empowered to impose $2 billion in tariff penalties on U.S. exports.

Consider what submission to the WTO has meant. Our Congress is ordered by foreign bureaucrats to alter U.S. law or our companies face penalties. Presidential decisions to protect vital American industries are declared invalid by Eurocrats. The terms of access to the U.S. market are now to be decided in Geneva by Lilliputians of the New World Order.

Why are we letting this happen?

Libertarians teach that free trade provides a check on government power. By enabling citizens to buy outside their borders, free trade forces governments to reduce regulations and taxes to stay competitive.

A fine theory. Has it worked out? Hardly. History shows that the opposite is true. Bismarck’s Zollverein, or customs union, went hand-in-hand with the rise of the Second Reich. The EU evolved from a free-trade common market into the socialist superstate of today that is the model for the world government under which all nations surrender sovereignty and how we live will be decided by Platonic guardians.

In the protectionist era from 1789 to 1933, U.S. taxes rarely took more than 3 percent of GNP, except in wartime. Government relied on tariffs. Before 1913, except for the Civil-War era and briefly under Cleveland, we had no income tax. But in the free-trade era, U.S. tax rates on incomes, currently 35 percent, have risen as high as 70 percent, and spending has exceeded 20 percent of GDP in peacetime. The free-trade era is the era of Big Government.

As a former Friedmanite free trader, let me say it: free trade is a bright shining lie. Free trade is the Trojan Horse of world government. Free trade is the murderer of manufacturing and the primrose path to the loss of national sovereignty and the end of our independence.

NAFTA: The Big Sting

In 1993, the NAFTA debate gripped the country. Clinton had the backing of the political establishment, the Heritage Foundation, AEI, Brookings, National Review, New Republic, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Chamber of Commerce, Business Roundtable. Perot, Buchanan, Nader, and the AFL-CIO were opposed, as were the people. But that did not matter. Before the vote, the bazaar opened, and Congressmen began selling votes to Clinton for whatever they could get. NAFTA won.

Ten years later, returns are in. We were told our trade surplus with Mexico would grow, that NAFTA would create jobs here, that the rising wages in Mexico would end the invasion of illegal aliens.

But, the year after NAFTA passed, Mexico devalued the peso, and the United States began to run a string of trade deficits that has reached $40 billion a year. Drug cartels in South America shifted operations to Mexico. U.S. exports to Mexico are up, but it is not finished goods we send south but parts to be assembled—and factories and jobs as owners shutter plants north of the Rio Grande in search of wages that are 10 to 20 percent of what they have to pay in the United States.

By 2000, a million Mexicans were working in maquiladora plants south of the border at jobs once held by Americans. But now, the creative destruction of globalization has come to Mexico. Factories there are being shut down and moved to America’s new enterprise zone, China.

And the Mexican people? Half of the 100 million are still mired in poverty. Tens of millions are unemployed or underemployed. Real wages are below what they were in 1993. And the migration north continues as 1.5 million are caught each year breaking into the United States. Of those who make it, one-third head for California where their claims on welfare, Medicaid, schools, and prisons have tipped the state toward bankruptcy as the taxpayers have begun a great exodus to Nevada, Idaho, and Colorado.

NAFTA has helped to convert California into Mexifornia and the Golden State into a Third-World country. Ten years after its passage, Mexico’s leading export continues to be Mexicans.

Factory Floor to the World

While Americans are sacrificing the future for the present, China is sacrificing the present for the future.

Beijing’s boom began after it devalued its currency in 1994. While a blow to Chinese consumers, devaluation gave Beijing a competitive edge over the other “Asian tigers.” Beijing then invited Western companies to locate new factories there to tap its pool of low-wage labor. As the price of access, Beijing demanded that Western companies transfer technology to Chinese partners. What the companies do not transfer, the Chinese extort or steal.

By offering excellent workers at $2 a day, guaranteeing no union trouble, allowing levels of pollution we would not tolerate, and ignoring health and safety standards, China has become the factory floor of the Global Economy and surpassed the United States as the world’s first choice for foreign investment.

What analyst Charles McMillion calls “the world’s most unequal trading relationship,” can be seen in the trade statistics. In 2002, the U.S. trade deficit with China was $103 billion. In May, it was running at $120 billion, the largest deficit between two trading nations in history.

It is thus a myth to say President Bush is presiding over a “jobless recovery.” The Bush tax cuts and Bush deficits are creating millions of manufacturing jobs —in China. America buys 14 percent of China’s production and delivers Beijing a trade surplus of 12 percent of its entire GDP. American purchases probably account today for 100 percent of China’s economic growth.

The U.S.-China relationship cannot truly be described as trade. It is rather the looting of America by China and its corporate collaborators in the United States. Beijing understands what economic nationalist Friedrich List wrote long ago: “The power of producing wealth is infinitely more important than the wealth itself.”

China has now amassed $360 billion in reserves from her trade surpluses since 1990. Much of that is invested in U.S. bonds and T-bills, earning Beijing billions in interest from the U.S. Treasury. America may be the most advanced nation on earth, and China a developing country, but you could not tell that from studying the trade statistics.

In 2002, China ran up its largest trade surpluses with us in electrical machinery, computers, toys, games, footwear, furniture, clothing, plastics, articles of iron and steel, vehicles, optical and photographic equipment, and other manufactures. Among the 23 items where we had a surplus with China were soybeans, corn, wheat, animal feeds, meat, cotton, metal ores, scrap, hides and skins, pulp and waste paper, cigarettes, gold, coal, mineral fuels, rice, tobacco, fertilizers, glass. Beijing uses us as George III used his Jamestown colony.

One who has studied how China deals with craven capitalists who come courting is columnist Terry Jeffrey. On inspecting the Web site of Motorola, Jeffrey found this description of how it sees its future:

Motorola is moving toward … taking China as its home and development base. Motorola Chinese Electronics … has increased its investment several times in China without taking away a single dollar. The company reinvested all the profits in China. … Since the very beginning Motorola has brought forward the idea of trying to be a good citizen of China, taking China as its home and thriving with the Chinese people. … The development goal is to become a true Chinese company.

The hilarity of Motorola’s kowtow to the mandarins of the Middle Kingdom aside, this passage reveals a hidden cost of globalization. When U.S. companies go global, they shed their loyalty to America.

Consider Boeing, last surviving U.S. manufacturer of commercial aircraft. Apparently, Boeing has gone beyond building plants in China to make horizontal stabilizers and vertical fins for its fleet. On Jan. 1, this story ran in the New York Times:

The State Department has accused two leading American companies of 123 violations of export laws in connection with the transfer of rocket and satellite data to China during the 1990s. The Boeing company and Hughes Electronics Corporation, a unit of General Motors, were notified of the accusations last week.

Hamilton, Clay, Lincoln, and T.R. would recognize China’s policy for what it is and counter it. But this generation of free traders does not have a clue as to what is going on, or does not care. Either way, the consequences will be the same: de-industrialization of America, decline of the dollar, a deepening dependency on foreign countries for the necessities of our national life, diminished sovereignty, and eventual loss of our independence. If you disbelieve this, look at the once sovereign and independent nations of Europe.

Implosion of the Global Economy

One need not have a Nobel Prize in economics to understand that U.S. trade deficits cannot continue rising indefinitely. As Choate reports,

In the 1970s, [the United States] mounted a decades-long deficit of $75 billion. … In the 1980s, the deficit soared to $843 billion as Japan began to take away our industries. … In the 1990s, that trade deficit doubled to $1.7 trillion. … At this pace, we’re probably going to have a $6 trillion cumulative deficit in this decade—and that’s probably an understated number given the pace we are losing our manufacturing base.

But the world is not going to continue lending Americans $500 or $600 billion a year to indulge our appetite for foreign goods. The U.S. dollar has already lost 25 percent of its value against the Euro, and foreigners have begun to buy up America, purchasing our land, stocks, bonds, and T-bills. Foreigners now claim a lion’s share of the $300 billion we pay in annual interest on the U.S. debt and have liens against all future profits of our Fortune 500 companies.

Consider the altered situation we face today compared with five years ago. When the Asian crisis broke, our economy was booming. We could see budget surpluses out to the horizon. With the IMF, we poured over $200 billion in fresh loans into Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, South Korea, Russia, Argentina, and Brazil. To enable them to earn the cash to pay back the sums they owed private creditors and international banks, we pledged to keep America’s markets open to their exports.

These, then, are the three pillars of the Global Economy: first, the willingness of America to bail out nations about to default. Second, the willingness and capacity of America to run enormous trade deficits indefinitely. Third, continued wealth transfers to the Third World.

And this is why the Global Economy is in peril. When Argentina declared it could not service its debt, America and the IMF refused to lend new money. Argentina defaulted. A tottering Brazil was bailed out, but the message was clear. The days of automatic bailouts of bankrupt regimes are over.

And with the dollar sinking, the U.S. budget deficit soaring, our merchandise trade deficit at $562 billion and rising, and manufacturing jobs vanishing at the rate of 80,000 a month, America’s willingness and ability to continue sacrificing for the Global Economy are coming to an end.

Perhaps the most inexplicable free traders are the neoconservatives who champion “unilateralism,” talk of a Pax Americana, and cheer the coming American empire of pith helmets and jodhpurs. Do they not understand that trade is not an end in itself but a means to an end: national power? Can they not see that our growing dependence on foreign oil and nations like China for the necessities of national defense imperils our security? Can they not see that these mammoth trade deficits must sink the dollar and that no nation with a falling currency can maintain the troops and subsidies to sustain an empire?

In 1962, Prescott Bush stood with Barry Goldwater and Strom Thurmond to vote no on JFK’s Trade Expansion Act. President Bush rejects the economic patriotism of his grandfather and embraces the Wilsonian faith that free trade will lead to global democracy and world peace. Like his father, he also embraces Wilson’s faith in open borders and moral interventionism. Wilsonism may cost him his presidency.

August 11, 2003 issue Copyright © 2003 The American Conservative


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To: harpseal
The plan


In no particular order of importance.

1. Get rid of government subsidies for offshore investment of US companies. OPIC is the first such program which should go but support of World Bank programs that subsidize the outflow of Capital would be another.

2. Use tariffs on those nations which are engaged in unfair trade practices such as currency manipulation (China and India for example), those nations which refuse to open their markets to US products (China for example with its 50% tariffs on US consumer goods and non tariff barriers), those nations that subsidize competition to American Industry (airbus for example) and those nations which have slave conditions for their workers.

3. Use tariffs and other means to prevent the relocation of jobs offshore that are essential to the national defense. If necessary take control of the company seeking to export vital technology or industry by means of eminent domain (No I do not like this last option and I will only defend its use as an absolute last resort like say in the case of rare earth magnets essential to smart bomb technology). Provide a hardened, widely distributed infrastructure to supply all that is needed for our military units and civil defense that can be continued to be deployed in the event of any military attack.

4. An immediate end to guest worker programs. If people wish to come to the USA to work and make a life let them immigrate according to the rules.

5 Provide economic development zones where the corporate income tax is zero for operations within these zones. In order to operate in this zone a company must agree to only purchase American components if available and employ only American citizens or legal immigrants in these operations. These economic development zones shall be eventually be expanded to include every bit of every state once the benefits are shown I would like them to be totally implemented immediately but I realize4 that may be overreaching.

6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system. Institute a cap on punitive damages, limits on class action suits, and limits on liability to the actual percentage of liability with no plaintiff able to collect if said plaintiff was involved in the commission of a felony at the time of the alleged tort or was more than 49% negligent in the alleged tort. Note that the loser in a frivolous lawsuit shall pay the attorney fees of the winner. There are many other regulatory structures that also need to be included that need to be included such as repealing the Family leave mandate, getting rid of OSHA etc.

7. Increase the domestic content in purchases by the Department of defense and give absolute preference in non-domestic content to proven allies of the USA over say the French or Germans. The only reason any content for DOD purchase may come from non US allies is that content is not available elsewhere and is essential.

8. Do not allow expense involved in moving operations overseas to be included in business expenses under the IRS code.

9. Prosecute for perjury anyone who has made a false statement in order to employ an H1B or L1 visa worker. I will be lenient on the actual perjurer if he/she was ordered to make this false statement and he/she provides testimony to aid in the conviction of the person ordering the perjury. Just because a person is a CEO does not give them a pass on criminal behavior.

10. Prosecute anyone who orders the transfer of vital defense technology or funds a R&D project that could be of use to our military overseas except to strong allies of the USA. Make the necessary enhancements to our espionage laws so that continued support or funding of any R&D in a nation whose government has threatened the USA is guilty of espionage. The UK and Australia come to mind as meeting these criteria for being eligible for transfer of technology first. There will be other nations and a gradation of what can be transferred to which specific nation. Under no circumstances may technology be transferred to any nation whose government has threatened the USA within five years without a complete change of government or specific exemption from Congress and the administration.

11. Deport all illegal aliens immediately and take measures that prevent the entry of any more illegal aliens. Fine all companies knowingly employing illegal aliens Criminal sanctions should be imposed on anyone helping an illegal alien stay in the USA in violation of our laws.

12. Decrease the punishing levels of taxation on companies and eliminate the double taxation on corporate dividends. See effects of item 5 for how minimal this will be if item 5 covers the entire USA. Eliminate all IRS provisions that inhibit free use of independent contractors by businesses for example section 1706.

13. Eliminate the minimum wage so that the worker can be paid based on productivity. Overtime compensation will remain the same but instead of 150% of the "wage" the worker would receive 150% of the production pay. If one through 13 are enacted # 14 becomes an irrelevancy as no one will be working for that low a wage.

Now since I started posting this plan another idea has come up that in my opinion is a very good policy that stands on its own. Now I give credit to Jim Gibson and Freeper Ed_in_NJ for coming up with the idea, separately to the best of my knowledge. However I can be corrected on that. The tariff phrasing is from Jim Gibson.

“I suggest that the US Customs Department charge a $1,000-per-container inspection fee on every container entering the United States. This fee would be used to completely fund the cost of inspections. If we assumed that a four-man team could fully inspect two containers a day or about 500 per year, it would require 48,000 inspectors. Allowing for at least 2,000 support personnel, we would need at least 50,000 workers. Because these workers would require high intelligence and skill levels they should earn at least $30 per hour. At 40-hour weeks plus benefits, I estimate the cost per worker to be over $75,000 per year, all paid by the foreign manufacturers. Even so, this would still leave over $2.25 billion to cover all other costs. Any revenue not used would be used to compensate American workers displaced by foreign imports. “

I urge and encourage everyone who agrees with this plan and or the terror tariff idea to communicate this to every politician you can think of.

21 posted on 08/23/2003 10:40:01 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
I've heard of voodoo economics, but this is the first time I've ever encounterd cargo-cult autarky economics.

Just look at those who say low tariffs are good for us and you will clearly get an example of some of the most illogical twisted thinking onteh planet that is unless of course one is a Marxist.

22 posted on 08/23/2003 10:42:43 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
...when China fishes the nationalization of the rights to the technology transfered to them by some of these automobile makers will they demand a lsicese fee for the use of that technology?

And will they impose the metric system on the U.S.? (If so, I'm going to have to start studying now.)

23 posted on 08/23/2003 10:49:09 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: cp124
I've been saying this for some years. We can't get rich selling burgers and information and cheap chinese goods to each other.

We need industry. Smokestacks = wealth.

24 posted on 08/23/2003 10:52:56 AM PDT by LibKill (FReegards, FRiend)
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To: american spirit
First, you should have included Bon Mots in your correction of destination.

Clearly I agree with this statement Anyone who cannot fathom the de-construction of this country as a result of these disastrous policies suffers from ultra severe rectal-crainial inversion.

However, some might consider this as not merely a statemnet of opinion but personal abuse and a favorite tactic on many of teh apologists for the everybody ahead of america crowd or the "Libertarians" who refuse to look at the realities of the world is to post a number of offensive and irrelevant comments that do not add any facts or logic to teh dbate athen when tehy get what is IMHO an appropriate flame or flames in response thry go to teh admin moderator to claim abuse that they actualy started. Thus we have the kinder gentler harpseal who will show patience and tolerance of insult to try to explain the facts to the ignorant and bring light to those who worship darkness. I have decided not to simply answer insult with insult while such allows me to vent my anger against those who start I have decided even those who post the most insulting comments will be allowed to continue and I shall try to convince them that they to shoudl take a stand that will help America fix its structural problems.

25 posted on 08/23/2003 10:57:39 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: 1rudeboy
According to Pat, when Dell Computer imports parts for assembly in the U.S., that's bad.

According to Pat, when GM exports parts for assembly in Mexico, that's bad.

I wish he'd make up his mind.

Actually a correct summation of Pat's points would be when dell assembles imported parts in the uSA that is bad compared to assembling parts made in teh uSA in the USA. When GM exports parts mostly from Vountries other than the USA to Mexico for assembly there and later sale in the USA that is worse.

At least that is the clear implication from what is written.

26 posted on 08/23/2003 11:01:19 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: searchandrecovery
And will they impose the metric system on the U.S.? (If so, I'm going to have to start studying now.)

Well on this question I have no idea but since i am familiar with sciientific measurement learning the metric system is the least of my worries. I have no desire to be a slave even a better treated slave becuase I can understand metric measurements.

27 posted on 08/23/2003 11:04:31 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
U.S. exports to Mexico are up, but it is not finished goods we send south but parts to be assembled . . . . [emphasis added]

Your interpretation is incorrect.

28 posted on 08/23/2003 11:10:00 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: cp124
These parts are supplied from Japan, Taiwan, and China."

This is rarely true in the modern auto industry. Automobiles are manufactured, not assembled. They are not like Dell PCs.

The major parts suppliers must be close to the final manufacturing plant, especially with Japanese maufacturers, because of their use of just-in-time, zero inventory manufacturing.

In and around Tuscaloosa Alabama, home of the Mercedes M3 SUV plant, there are numerous supplier companies. The same is happening in Montgomery Alabama, home of the new Hyundai plant. Numerous Hyundai suppliers are building plants in the Montgomery area.

Obviously some things will be shipped in, however, labor continues to represents the largest cost component of most large machines. In fact, that is why Nissan, Toyota, Honda, BMW and Mercedes came to the US. Our labor is cheaper than Japanese or German labor, and the quality of our workforce is just as good (especially when the UAW is not involved).

29 posted on 08/23/2003 11:13:41 AM PDT by magellan
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To: 1rudeboy
Clearly anyone who has also studied teh actuialities of GM offshoring wees my interpretation as correct as imprting parts for export is not a good Idea but be that as it may it can not be argued that Pat view export of parts from teh USA to a Mexican operation as not as good as assembling them in the USA.

Now it does no good to misreprent his arguments the way tyou IMHO attempted. If you have any thing enlightening to add I am always ready for such enlightenment.

30 posted on 08/23/2003 11:15:16 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
I misrepresent nothing. It is you who refuse to "wee."
31 posted on 08/23/2003 11:17:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: LibKill
"We need industry. Smokestacks = wealth. "

Good one. The industrial engine drove the USA to today's wealth. The Bush operated mouse engine (invented by the Gingrich-Gore "Third Wave Information Age") has driven 3+ million jobs out of the economy.

32 posted on 08/23/2003 11:20:00 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need BALANCED Trade. We buy from you. You buy from us.)
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To: ex-snook
We may disagree on causes, but the fact is that we need industry. Smoke-belching, high-pollution, industry.
33 posted on 08/23/2003 11:26:13 AM PDT by LibKill (FReegards, FRiend)
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To: harpseal
U.S. exports to Mexico are up, but it is not finished goods we send south but parts to be assembled—and factories and jobs as owners shutter plants north of the Rio Grande in search of wages that are 10 to 20 percent of what they have to pay in the United States.

There is no way to translate or diagram the above sentence in such a fashion that allows you to "summate" that Pat is speaking of foreign parts being shipped to foreign assemblers.
"Misrepresent," indeed. [scoff]

34 posted on 08/23/2003 11:27:13 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: LibKill
bttt
35 posted on 08/23/2003 11:42:06 AM PDT by spoiler2
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To: cp124
Already posted here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/964920/posts

36 posted on 08/23/2003 11:48:24 AM PDT by JesseHousman
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To: Tokhtamish
...Detroit of 1960 was a nice place. The post-deindustrialization Detroit of today is not. In fact, none of the cities of the Northeast have recovered from deindustrialization. When the factory closed, the supply chain of firms that fed it collapsed...

...And you ignore a key result of the destruction of those low-semi skilled stable jobs. A huge and growing underclass as it is impossible to work your way out of the ghetto...

Thank you for posting that. I grew up in Detroit. Same problem with Flint. (And I'm sure with many other cities).

You are correct about the large and growing underclass.

The loss of these industrial jobs has ment that people in our country with a moderate education don't have a chance of making enough to support a family.

When it's just people who don't want to work and just want to get high and party are the ones left out, no big loss.

But when you have to have an advanced degree or some set of unique technical skills in order to support a family, that's going to leave a lot of average Americans unable to properly raise a family.

That forces the rest of us to pay the costs of these broken families - in social services, welfare, police, the criminal justice system, etc.

We are being forced to sacifice our families and lifestyle (which includes our traditions and freedoms) so that other countries, whose people are not nearly as free as us, will benefit.

I don't think that "Free Trade" with a government that treats it's citizens like China does is a good deal. At least make them adhere to some standards of how they treat their workers / citizens.

37 posted on 08/23/2003 12:09:17 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: harpseal
Good Plan. Well thought out. I've seen you post it before, and it makes good sense every time I see it.

Think they'll ever do anything like it?

(Short of the point when everyone who is not one of the wealthy elite, or employed by the govenment, has been downsized / outsourced out of work)...
38 posted on 08/23/2003 12:13:56 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Tokhtamish
You have obviously never been to Detroit. The Detroit of 1960 still exists; it just moved north 15 miles or so, to the burbs. Just because the core city rotted under a racist Marxist mayor doesn't mean that the city died or that the industry left; it simply moved, and, scattered among 20 or so suburbs, it supports twice the people it did in 1960.
39 posted on 08/23/2003 12:17:36 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: magellan
Toyota, Nissan, Honda, BMW, and Mercedes, building car manufacturing plants in America to take advantage of ... U.S.!

Please don't confuse manufacturing with assembly. The majority of the plants you cite are for assemble only, all the parts are manufactured in countries with much, much lower manufacturing costs (read wages) than the good ole USA. The jobs we "gain" here exist because it allows some Americans to think they are buying an American made product and for the companies to take advantage of tax releif packages for establishing a US "manufacturing" plant.

40 posted on 08/23/2003 12:24:37 PM PDT by Great_Dame
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