[donmeaker]

According to Genesis, Ishmael was the first born of abram. Issac was never the only son, and if Sarah was Abram's sister, then Issac was the child of incest.

Abram had another wife too, Keturah. Sons mentioned include Midian, Hanoch, Abidia, Eldaah, Ephah, Epher. Each was given land.

The oldest part of the bible is the story of David and Jonathan. The rest of the bible was written backwards! Judges was written in the time of Solomon to create a common people. Deuteronomy was written in the time of Josiah to justify the authority of priests. It is an old story, that little stories are turned into big stories. It happened in the New Testament too, Matthew being written based on the desire to flesh out Mark, and dump in as many prophecies as possible. Of course, the author of Matthew (4th century) began by lying about his authorship. His prophecies used the greek version of the old testament, and many prophecies such as that of the virgin birth have no basis in the Hebrew or Aramaic texts.

It still goes on. The Koran, and the Book of Mormon are recent examples of religious fraud. Joseph Smith was found guilty of plagerism after he lifted the manuscript of a book of fiction from the house of a doctor whose well he had been hired to dig. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a forgery of the Tsarist police based on earlier forgeries in France, also fit in here. Frauds are usually compiled for political purposes. After a few years, they get accepted by some lunatics, and a few hundred years later, the fraud is the "Word of God".

If you would like your eyes opened, read "The sacred mushroom and the cross" by john allegro.

[Phsstpok]

According to Genesis, Ishmael was the first born of abram.

And you point is? Isn't that what I said?

If you would like your eyes opened, read "The sacred mushroom and the cross" by john allegro.

OK, that's just stupid. Read any Von Daniken lately? It's better than Allegro and a far sight more believable. Concentrate on this:

NON NOBIS DOMINAE NON NOBIS SED NOMINI TUO DA GLORIAM

[A.J.Armitage]

The oldest part of the bible is the story of David and Jonathan. The rest of the bible was written backwards!

Fascinating.

Matthew (4th century)

Perhaps you should pass this on to scholars so they'll know to ignore those silly old pre-4th century quotations.

If you would like your eyes opened, read "The sacred mushroom and the cross" by john allegro.