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Are these guys fair and balanced? You decide
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 22 August 2003 | Phil Kloer and Caroline Wilbert

Posted on 08/22/2003 3:11:06 PM PDT by demlosers

In the matter of Fox vs. Franken, Fox News Channel claims that comedian-commentator Al Franken is "shrill and unstable" and "increasingly unfunny."

Franken, in turn, says Bill O'Reilly, Fox's biggest star, should be called "Bill O' Lie-lly" and spoofs its slogan, "We Report, You Decide" as "They Distort, We Deride."

At the center of all this name-calling and elbow-throwing, which has spilled over from publishing into television and the legal system, is Franken's new book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right" (Dutton, $24.95).

Fox filed suit last week, saying it copyrighted its trademark "Fair and Balanced" in 1998 and asking for unspecified damages. Oral arguments are to begin today in U.S. District Court in New York.

The result of the lawsuit so far, though, has been to give Franken's book a much higher profile. After the suit was filed, "Lies" jumped into Amazon.com's Top 10 (by Thursday, it was No. 3), and Penguin, the publisher, ordered an extra 40,000 copies and rushed the book into stores. It was supposed to come out Sept. 22 but started arriving at Atlanta bookstores Thursday.

Atlanta-based Chapter 11 bookstores doubled its buy, said Vivian Lawand, advertising director for the chain. Stores have been receiving lots of calls about the book, and the Ansley Mall location plans a side-by-side display of Franken's book and O'Reilly's 2002 bestseller, "The No Spin Zone."

Personal animosity between O'Reilly and Franken boiled over at a booksellers' convention in Los Angeles earlier this summer, when the two appeared on a joint panel to promote their books.

Franken publicly took O'Reilly to task for saying his previous show, "Inside Edition," had won two Peabody Awards (it won a Polk Award instead, and after O'Reilly had left) and tempers at the head table flared into a shouting match. A delayed broadcast of the confrontation then was aired on CSPAN2.

Franken, the former "Saturday Night Live" writer-performer and author of "Rush Limbaugh Is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations" has greeted the lawsuit as if it were a joke, saying in a statement that he has trademarked the word "funny," so that Fox cannot charge him with being "unfunny."

But First Amendment and copyright lawyers are paying attention to the case, which is part of a growing litigation trend that includes Spike Lee's suit against Spike TV and the Margaret Mitchell estate's suit against the book "The Wind Done Gone." The Authors Guild has filed a brief on Franken's side, pointing out that books such as "Prozac Nation" and "The Devil Wears Prada" used trademarks in their titles.

Conservatives will need some Prozac if they pick up Franken's book, which is a 379-page attack on Republicans (especially President Bush and his policies), Fox and its personalities such as O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, and recent books by conservatives that allege a leftist media bias.

Of the liberal side, Franken writes, "Our attack dogs are a scrawny, underfed pack of mutts that spend half the time chasing their own tails and sniffing each other's butts. The right, by contrast, appears to have a well-oiled puppy mill for pit bulls, bred to kill and trained to go for the jugular."

He also shows a lot of interest in Georgia politics specifically, writing about the Saxby Chambliss vs. Max Cleland Senate race and role of the Georgia state flag in the 2002 gubernatorial election.

"Lies" is part of the growing politicization and polarization of the bestseller lists.

Publishers have discovered that readers can't get enough of ideologues, many of whom have used TV talk shows as a springboard.

Thus, Ann Coulter's "Treason: Liberal Treachery From the Cold War to the War on Terrorism" is No. 4 on the New York Times bestseller list.

Also on the list are "Stupid White Men" by liberal documentary-maker Michael Moore; "Off With Their Heads" by Fox News analyst Dick Morris; and an anti-Clinton history, "Derelicition of Duty," by Robert Patterson.

Hillary Rodham Clinton's "Living History," while more an autobiography than any of those, certainly was greeted by her opponents as just another ideological salvo.

Due out next month is another O'Reilly book, "Who's Looking Out for You?" and liberal columnist Molly Ivins' "Bushwhacked: Life in George W. Bush's America."

Bob Dilenschneider, founder of New York public relations firm the Dilenschneider Group, said it's a win-win situation PR-wise. Franken's book gets a bonanza of pre-release buzz and Fox sends out two messages: Don't mess with Fox, and we protect our people.

That may or may not be fair, but at least it's balanced.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fox; franken; oreilly

1 posted on 08/22/2003 3:11:06 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: demlosers
The whole frigg'n crew of 'em seem UNBALANCED
2 posted on 08/22/2003 3:14:27 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: demlosers
I am not a fan of Bill O Reily, or Sean Hannity, or Ann Coulter. Limbaugh is OK, but not as great as he was in 1992. He's slipped quite a bit.

I didn't read Moore's book, or Franken's, or any other book mentioned. I find this whole thing to be an extremely trivial. Although, it does kinda make me want to see excerpts from Franken's book.

3 posted on 08/22/2003 3:22:43 PM PDT by Huck
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To: demlosers
From the article: "Publishers have discovered that readers can't get enough of ideologues"

Does FR provide evidence for or against this claim?
4 posted on 08/22/2003 3:23:24 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: demlosers
bump
5 posted on 08/22/2003 3:24:12 PM PDT by foreverfree
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To: demlosers
Fox News' really strong suit is lots of pretty, leggy women.
6 posted on 08/22/2003 3:26:50 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: demlosers
Our attack dogs are a scrawny, underfed pack of mutts that spend half the time chasing their own tails and sniffing each other's butts.

Just because they can't keep their nose out of each other's butts we're supposed to listen to them???? This guy is fruit!

7 posted on 08/22/2003 3:27:20 PM PDT by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: John Beresford Tipton; ConsistentLibertarian; swarthyguy; dighton; aristeides; Grampa Dave
Can a lying liar tell lies?

Something about Cretans comes to mind...
8 posted on 08/22/2003 3:27:25 PM PDT by Shermy (Live from Iraq, you're watching the Saudi-Iranian Supply Side Oil War)
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To: Shermy
"Can a lying liar tell lies?"

Yes. If a lying liar didn't tell lies he wouldn't be a lying liar, would he?

But a lying liar CAN'T SAY THAT he is a lying liar, because then he'd be telling the truth and lying liars don't tell the truth.

If you think it's funky the kind of results you can get with self-reference, you should see how wicked awesome it is when you have sentences encode whether they are provable ...

Something about Godel comes to mind ... ;-)
9 posted on 08/22/2003 3:32:08 PM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: StarCMC
I'll agree on his statement about them running around sniffing their own butts. The fact is, though, that leftist pundits are FAR more hostile and aggressive than any1 other than ms coulter on the right. our dogs just usually win the fight becuase we have ideas, and we use facts instead of insults to prove our arguments.
10 posted on 08/22/2003 3:32:18 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://bigghurtt.com)
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To: demlosers
This article just irks me to no end. Not one mention of Franken and his lies and fraud discovered this week (Re: Fraudulent letters wrote on Harvard stationary sent to Ascroft). Franken comes off as an innocent. I wrote a nice little email to these two reporters. AJC is my local paper. Cancelled my subscription years ago though.

pkloer@ajc.com
cwilbert@ajc.com
11 posted on 08/22/2003 3:41:44 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: bigghurtt
We have entered the age of politics as entertainment.

On a side note, I'm not a huge O'Reilly fan but I wish he (O'Reilly) could just beat the crap out of that little twirp (and not get arrested and sued for it..)
12 posted on 08/22/2003 3:44:18 PM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (...and pecked by the dove...)
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To: Republican Red
AJC is my local paper. Cancelled my subscription years ago though.

And they always say bad things about the Hogs too.

13 posted on 08/22/2003 3:44:41 PM PDT by bigghurtt (http://bigghurtt.com)
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To: demlosers
Franken's book will probably be about as interesting as his Limbaugh book which was not very interesting at all. He has the typical liberal self-delusion about their own viciousness and capacity for falsehoods. To liberals the glass is always half-empty. The middle-class is always portrayed as a bunch of overfed, greedy boobs who refuse to see all the problems that need a liberals direction to resolve. The fact is that though liberals claim to champion the "oppressed", they actually despise them. But they need them, because otherwise they wouldn't have a purpose. Which as far as I can tell is to complain about everything. Oh yeah, I'm sorry. Liberals do have goals which in no particular order are: white male bashing, weird sex, affirmative-discrimination, and being health nazis.
14 posted on 08/22/2003 4:15:21 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: demlosers
Is the AJC a 'urinal' or 'constipated'? You decide. Or is it just their editors/reporters/columnists and too many of the readers?
15 posted on 08/22/2003 4:27:06 PM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Shermy; Grampa Dave
Of the liberal side, Franken writes, "Our attack dogs are a scrawny, underfed pack of mutts that spend half the time chasing their own tails and sniffing each other's butts.

The only thing al franken has that is even close to being correct.

16 posted on 08/22/2003 4:58:59 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: Shermy
"Something about Cretans comes to mind."

LOL
You can spell.
But before you bask too long in that glory, your victory iin spelling "Cretan" is tempered by your ability to spell that hononym two different ways, both different, both equally correct.
17 posted on 08/23/2003 3:01:11 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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