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To: concerned about politics
"Now you prove to me he is."

So your argument is that people who have already revealed themselves as liars and users of the Gospel to gain wordly goods are known to be bad, but those apparently using it now, because they have yet to be exposed, can't possibly be doing the very same thing?

How about if we take Thmas Jefferson's advice, and not elect people based on theor mouthing of Biblical concepts and eliminate the possibility of elevating a false Christian to power?

678 posted on 08/22/2003 10:28:57 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
So your argument is that people who have already revealed themselves as liars and users of the Gospel to gain wordly goods are known to be bad, but those apparently using it now, because they have yet to be exposed, can't possibly be doing the very same thing?

By their fruits we know them.

How about if we take Thmas Jefferson's advice, and not elect people based on theor mouthing of Biblical concepts and eliminate the possibility of elevating a false Christian to power?

How about we all vote for whomever we choose? What a concept!

687 posted on 08/22/2003 10:37:38 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Lucifer lefties are still stuck at the bottom of Maslow's Hierarchy)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
How about if we take Thmas Jefferson's advice, and not elect people based on theor mouthing of Biblical concepts and eliminate the possibility of elevating a false Christian to power?

Again, it sounds as though you are saying that if anyone quotes any scripture or makes any reference to God he is a fake. So in your view (apparently) the only trustworthy people are those who NEVER make any public expression of religion. Well, how about these people? Are they all deceitful charlatans?

"It would be peculiarly improper to omit, in this official act my fervent supplication to that Almighty Being, who rules over the universe, who presides in the council of nations, and whose providential aid can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States...Every step by which they have advanced seems to have been distinguished by some providential agency. We ought to be no less persuaded that the propitious smiles of Heaven can never be expected on a nation that disregards the eternal rules of order and right which Heaven itself has ordained." George Washington, President of the United States.

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. It is substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule, indeed, extends with more or less force to every species of free government. Who, that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric? (Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.

Does history warrant the conclusion that religion is necessary to morality -- that a natural ethic is too weak to withstand the savagery that lurks under civilization and emerges in our dreams, crimes, and wars? ... There is no significant example in history, before our time, of a society successfully maintaining moral life without the aid of religion. Will and Ariel Durant

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this; it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity. John Quincy Adams

"From the day of the Declaration...they (the American people) were bound by the laws of God, which they all, and by the laws of The Gospel, which they nearly all, acknowledge as the rules of their conduct." John Quincy Adams

"Man, considered as a creature, must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being....And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker's will...this will of his Maker is called the law of nature. These laws laid down by God are the eternal immutable laws of good and evil...This law of nature dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this... Sir William Blackstone

702 posted on 08/22/2003 10:55:13 PM PDT by First Amendment
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