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To: Dog Gone
"He did coin the phrase. And 2 days later, he attended church in the House of Representatives. Oh, and he also supported a bill and signed it as President giving federal money to Christian missionaries of the Indians. Also, while in Virginia, he along with Madison introduced and supported a bill to punish "Sabbath breakers." It passed and remained even after a purging of bills deemed against the Bill of Rights."

lol.....commercials don't give you much time to Freep. Have fun watching the race.
471 posted on 08/22/2003 6:32:59 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: rwfromkansas
Did they suspend Madison for that right wing Christian kookery?
487 posted on 08/22/2003 6:46:16 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: rwfromkansas
Okay, race is over. 13 pretty nifty wrecks and a bunch of drivers blaming each other. Pretty good for a Friday night, and it will only get more wild tomorrow night for th Cup race.

But back to your point, (and I haven't read past your post I'm responding to, so I apologize if I'm addressing something I haven't seen yet), but I will happily concede that Jefferson, and maybe even Madison, would not have approved of how far the courts have gone in restricting the government with regard to religion. Madison, I'm not so sure about.

Jefferson's biggest goal was religious liberty, and so he wanted the government to interfere as little as possible in that realm. Whether he would have objected to Judge Moore's monument is doubtful, but it's not entirely out of the question. He would have worried about it a little, I think. He was a religious man, but he was deeply fearful of a national governmental role in it.

But you have to understand that nearly all my posts on this matter are based on what the law is today. Not what it was 200 years ago, and not what the Founders may have thought. That's certainly relevant and what should BE the most important consideration.

What Jefferson said or did is very important. But they are principles, not commandments.

My personal philosophy is much like Jefferson's, I think. I want religious liberty for myself and everyone else. And I think the government should butt out.

The unanswered question is how far....

549 posted on 08/22/2003 7:51:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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