FOX NEWS: ALABAMA TEN COMMANDMENTS JUDGE SUSPENDED...

Drudge Report ^ | 08/22/03 | Matt Drudge

[Pokey78]

Orlando Salinas broke in a few minutes ago and announced this on Fox News.

[Windcatcher]

/wacko idea mode on

You know, after seeing the arguments go back and forth, I wonder if the best solution might be to let the voters decide. We conservatives are always railing about liberal judges legislating by fiat. If we can agree on nothing else, we should be able to agree that *the government serves us, the people*. Does Alabama support referenda? If *the people* can't be trusted to decide whether this monument is included in a state supreme court that is *meant to serve them* then we are really far gone.

[bjs1779]

but aren't you another one who wanted Elian sent back to slavery under Castro's communist Cuba? bjs1779

She eats corn, too. What does that have to do with the subject of this thread?[Sinkey]

Relax Sinkey, I was just conducting my own private poll on those tolerant persons who send people back to slavery and those you want the Ten commandents banned. It looks like I am on to a trend here...

[itsahoot]

Jesus honored the law by keeping it, not making stone statues of it.

Boy, do you have a misunderstanding of Jesus. Why do you think he was tried and crucified?

[strela]

I doubt many know what a Strong's Concordance is

Not to mention a Nave's Topical Bible. Invaluable resources, both.

by your definition and the rest of the secularists, anything is a religion.

Anything CAN BE a religion. To say it is not is simple intolerance.

A sect is not a religion. It's a sect.

Not according to the state - that pesky "freedom of religion" thing again. There are sects of Christianity whose parishioners handle poisonous snakes - if we allow the state to pick up the check for a statue of the Ten Commandments, we also have to let somebody inclined to do so to erect a monument to a timber rattler or copperhead as well.

[F16Fighter]

"Majority rule is mobocracy."

And just what would you call a ruling by judicial fiat which ignored the results of referenda in California?

"How does the removal of a rock in Alabama prevent you from worshipping your God?

Resentment towards the trifling of the symbolic inspiration of a man, a family, a nation's traditions and heritage in the name of political correctness is something I always thought you'd have understood.

Is it possible your judgement in this case has been severely clouded by your obsessive hatred of southern evangelists?

[gsrinok]

If *the people* can't be trusted to decide whether this monument is included in a state supreme court that is *meant to serve them* then we are really far gone.

Unfortunately, Windcatcher, we are really far gone. A referendum to keep the Ten Commandments in the rotunda would pass by a landslide in Alabama, but some federal judge and a federal appeals court and the SCOTUS would overturn it. Our federal judiciary has become so deeply corrupted by the anti-religion zealots that it has lost all moral authority. That's why it's so important that Judge Moore has made a stand now.

[strela]

Why do you think he was tried and crucified?

If your answer is "To allow a hunk of rock to be erected using public funds in an American public building," you need to go back to Sunday School and pay attention this time.

[concerned about politics]

Congress has power of the purse strings. Ask congress to suspend Federal judges' wages until Moore is vindicated.

Congress has already addressed this, so I've heard, and they're siding with Judge Moore. Now, the issue goes to the senate.
The federal court called the judges action unconstitutional, so the state judges followed. Judge Moores constitutional rights have been violated because the federal courts had no jurisdiction in the case.
Any funding to remove the monument, and the collection of any fines, have been put on hold by congress? I still can't find this on the net yet.
Now, we wait to see what happens. The First Amendment reference was intended to protect the churches from interference by the state, not to protect a secular state from religion. It is about freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. The modern extreme separationist notion was fabricated out of thin air by the liberal-dominated Supreme Court that unconstitutionally struck down school prayer in 1962.

[Hostage]

That time has passed.

[jwalsh07]

Uh, Walsh, I believe it WAS litigated.

Well that's your problem in a nutshell Spur, you don't know what you believe and you don't know what was litigated.

SInkspur stated that he thinks the Ten Commandments displayed in courtrooms are constitutional. Paraphrased so correct my if I got anything wrong there.

Then you say that thew Chief Justice erred by refusing other displays.

The remedy for that situation is to remove the Chief Justice, not the Ten Commandments.

You following me here Spur?

[jwalsh07]

Congress has already addressed this,

The Hostetler Amendment defunding the enforcement branch of the judiciary.

[longtermmemmory]

from the alabama constitution regarding religious freedom. Seems you can't be penalized for exerciseing your conscience. :

http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/Constitution1901_toc.htm




SECTION 3

Religious freedom.

That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; that no one shall be compelled by law to attend any place of worship; nor to pay any tithes, taxes, or other rate for building or repairing any place of worship, or for maintaining any minister or ministry; that no religious test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under this state; and that the civil rights, privileges, and capacities of any citizen shall not be in any manner affected by his religious principles.

[gsrinok]

When the Supreme Court made a decision with which President Andrew Jackson disagreed, Jackson remarked "[Chief Justice] John Marshall has made his decision, let him enforce it now." That's the approach that needs to be taken with this issue. The executive branch, mainly the Justice Department, needs to ignore the federal judge's ruling to remove the monument, and Alabama needs to laugh off any attempt to make the state pay any fines.

[jwalsh07]

You know, after seeing the arguments go back and forth, I wonder if the best solution might be to let the voters decide.

Actually, they already decided. Moore ran on a platform that rights are granted by the Creator and he was elected overwhelmingly.

However, it doesn't matter to proponents of an overly strong central government, omnipotent 14th amendment and worshippers of the federal judicial oligarch.

[ChemistCat]

I am so glad I was not eating or drinking when I read your post. It is bad enough that there was saliva present in my mouth. LOL!

[floriduh voter]

Bob Barr works for the aclu now in case you didn't know.

[Beck_isright]

Thank you. I can see a movement in Europe and by the UN to ban or restrict the viewing of Mel Gibson's new movie as part of the PC crusade against Christians. The way things are going, the Romans might seem like an ally, compared to the way they are heading now.

[rwfromkansas]

lol.....no....of course nobody mentions him supporting this law, do they. hehehe :)

[ChemistCat]

What do we do when a court district's population becomes majority Muslim, and they VOTE to outlaw public practice of Christianity and public display of any Christian symbols on private property...and so on, and so on?

The reason we do not have DEMOCRACY in this country, but rather a Constitutional Republic, is to protect the minority view from majority rule.

[Kevin Curry]

Is it possible [sinkspur's] judgement in this case has been severely clouded by [his] obsessive hatred of southern evangelists?

I myself don't care much for southern (tele)vangelists, but that doesn't color my judgment in this case. I believe you have divined the wellspring of sinkspur's animus, however.

This issue is driving a wedge between people, deep and hard. But isn't that what Jesus Christ said would happen?

"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law."

Atheists have nothing to fear in their persons and property from Christians. Not so, Christians from atheists. We will continue to speak out boldly, and they will try to imprison us. It is already happening.

And sinkspur will squat on his toadstool and croak out denials thrice that he ever knew what as at stake.