Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Disrespecting a Popular Icon

22 Aug 03 | xzins

[sinkspur]

If it was the only issue he ran on, and he won, then it gives you some idea of the name recognition and esteem he has with religious conservatives.

It also says something else about those who elected him.

[Mo1]

Seriously, if Howard Brown was able to mobilize the Libertarians on a theme characterized by the as "ignore the rest of the world," then Moore will be able to mobilize troops around their common religion.

You want to elect a person ONLY because of their religious beliefs??

[hosepipe]

It is to be remembered that...
This issue is about a mere plaque on the wall in a judges chambers.... and pressured to take it down he put it in his courtroom, and finally emblazoned in a 2 ton granite statement in the courthouse foyer...

Removeing the "offense" from the foyer, then the courtroom, then to above the judges private desk is the issue.. The 2 ton slab may grab the attention but the "IDEA" is what offends the muckrakers... Going for the jugular of judeo-christian high-ground "they think".. The important thing is "THEY" have declared war, not mere secular license.

As Joseph McCarthy touched the tip of an iceberg, Ann Coulter got a little closer in her book TREASON. Hopefully, in her next book she will get even closer to displaying the entire iceberg.. because to most republicans this iceberg is a ice decoration at a gala fund raiseing event of some sort.."We won the cold war" is dis-information.

The only standard these scularists have comparable to the 10 commandments(aka Bible) is the Communist Manifesto... Really, If anyone actually thinks its still about a democracy when we live in a Republic, THEIR CORRECT.....

Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. V.I. Lenin

[xzins]

It doesn't matter.

All that matters is that he's very good at collecting votes.

He's also a true believer.

I think he and his supporters should be granted their full hearing in the Supreme Court.

[sweet_diane]

"I've always held my nose and voted"

Seems to be a common occurance here in Alabama. You know, with Alabama being such a great place to live, we sure have some crappy choices in at the polls.

[sinkspur]

Seriously, if Howard Brown was able to mobilize the Libertarians on a theme characterized by the as "ignore the rest of the world," then Moore will be able to mobilize troops around their common religion.

Moore better hope he does better than Harry Browne; Harry finished at some percentage of one percent, and drew less than a million votes.

A thinking believer who follows a man who runs as a theocrat is not thinking. Ayatollah Khomenei was elected by "troops mobilized around their common religion."

[xzins]

It's irrelevant what I want.

The question is whether or not this man can receive lots of votes. If the answer to that is "yes," then keep him in your party by giving him his full hearing before the Supreme Court.

It's a small price to pay. And even if they lose they'll be grateful to you for the opportunity.

[sweet_diane]

"Some will finally admit that it's time to "give principle a chance."

principle..what a concept!

[Servant of the Nine]

In this sense, yes, I feel your posts undergird Islamism.

I obviously don't. I think Judge Moore is a disgrace.

If anything paves the way for arbitrary Sharia type law, it having a State Supreme Court Chief Justice openly promising to defy the United States Supreme Court.

To engineer a confrontation and attempt to create a Constitutional Crisis by defying the Supreme Court of the United States just makes a mockery of our whole system of Government by laws. It creates a prescedent for liberals to do exactly the same kind of thing.

The Constitution must be inviolate.
It must be exactly what the Supreme Court says it is or we have no system of Laws, but only popularity contests.
Unfortunately we have a group of rogue Justices on the court who do not understand this.

I don't like what the Supremes are doing either, but the way to change that is to impeach them and/or support the apointment of strict constructionist replacements.

So9

[xzins]

I think Moore is an icon now for evangelical, religious conservatives.

If he runs, and if he's articulate, then there's a real problem. Especially if he gets funding.

Why not just give him his full hearing in the Supreme Court?

[mrsmith]

The Senate, where judges are approved- or not, is the place for him to be.

Doesn't strike me as "slick" enough for the media though, and the national media will be bashing him all the time.
I've no idea of how he is thought of by the voters- or his views on other topics.

Nationally, unless he has a whole lot more to offer, he'd just be another "one percenter" and would hurt his views instead of advancing them.

[Mo1]

It's a small price to pay. And even if they lose they'll be grateful to you for the opportunity

Sorry pal, I won't be grateful

We DON'T elect someone to President of the United States ONLY because of their religious beliefs.

That is to dangerous to even consider .. Good Grief

[sweet_diane]

a question.

If someone wants pay for the building and installation of a monument (within the realm of 'good taste' etc) and donate it to a public building, such as the SCOA, could they? Could a Jewish or Muslim organization do the same? That would work for me.

[xzins]

I wonder if PRINCIPLE + God = Victory.

In His realm anyway. Life and that more abundantly.

As you suggest, we can do all this through the strength that He gives.

[xzins]

I disagree with the 1 percent.

I'd put him from 4-10 percent.

I'd love to see his name on a survey list of opponents.

Of course this is all speculation, but the number of conservative Christians is significant.

[Catspaw]

The Greens still love Ralph. The Dems despise him.

Whether Moore is a true believer is not the issue. Although he ran as a Republican to get into office, if he runs for President on the Constitutional Party ticket and draws 10% of the people who voted for Bush in the last election to his party, as you claim and allows a Dem to win the presidency, count on Moore being as despised by the Republicans--just as Ross Perot is despised for helping Clinton into office in 1992.

However, if Moore wants to run on a third party ticket--and it seems as though it's what you're advocating--there's nothing anyone can do to stop him. In fact, with very little editing, his speeches could be converted to stump speeches. And with 10% of the vote, he could probably make it into the national debates.

[onedoug]

It creates a prescedent for liberals to do exactly the same kind of thing.

Liberals would never make the case for even the utility of liberty owing its origin to a transcendent source.

And once that concept is gone from American life...the treasure in the lives of so many gone before, even as much as I wouldn't want to believe that we couldn't...I don't think we could ever get it back.

[Right Wing Professor]

You have confused Christian fundamentalism with conservatism. I see no particular reason why I should have to prove my credentials to you.

[xzins]

Actually, I'm advocating that the Republicans keep him in the fold by giving him his hearing before the full Supreme Court.

He and his supporters will then be grateful to/bound to those who helped him.

[Catspaw]

Why not just give him his full hearing in the Supreme Court?

So what you're really saying is if the Supreme Court won't grant cert, Moore will run for President? Where the logic in that? The President has no influence whatsoever over what cases are granted cert and which aren't--but you seem to be saying that if Moore isn't granted cert, he'd run for President, not getting enough votes to win the presidency, but to become a spoiler for President Bush?