Judge Moore for President? Religious Conservatives & the Danger of Disrespecting a Popular Icon

22 Aug 03 | xzins

[Catspaw]

There is an early link on this thread, however, that mentions his giving a speech at a Constitution Party event (or something like that.)

Yes. I posted it.

But rather than threaten to leave the Republican party if the USSC doesn't grant cert, I think Moore should run for president and take the 10% of Republican voters, as you've speculated, with him. He should give it all he's got. He's just about got his stump speech down anyway.

[xzins]

I read as well that Coral Ridge supplied the monument but I don't have a link proving it.

I posted a Hannity & Colmes transcript last week, an interview with Moore, where he himself gave his reasons for placing the monument starting at 6 pm.

I guess one can either take his word or call him a liar.

It's just that such a project in the entryway of a public building SHOULD lead to concerns for public safety. I believe him because it made sense.

[xzins]

Well, then....we agree. But for opposing reasons. :>)

He who is not my enemy is my friend.

[sinkspur]

But the natural extension of banning the Ten Commandments , a section of the Bible, is to ban the Bibile from the court house

No one is required to swear on the Bible in a court room, if they choose not to.

[Catspaw]

No one is required to swear on the Bible in a court room, if they choose not to.

One can swear or affirm when taking the oath.

[Right Wing Professor]

Anyway, you never tackled the fact that it is the left wing of the Republican Party that not only poses the most danger to maintaining our majority, but already has 'walked' and already has caused difficulties for true Conservatives. Most people here on FR and in all conservative circles agree with this.

One member of that left wing walked.

My point is the left wing can walk, and find a home with the Dems. The right wing can not, any more than the socialist wing of the Dems can join the GOP. If you walk, you might cost the GOP the next election, if it's close. In the long term this might not be a disaster - Bush has triangulated too much for my taste too - but you risk the possibility that instead of trying to win you back, they decided it's easier to win votes by moving even further to the left. That leaves you permanently isolated.

I'm talking realpolitik, and you're talking theological purity.

[NewLand]

I'm talking realpolitik

Isn't that something akin to 'moral relativism'? Again, the strength of one's convictions, whatever they are, are the best qualities of leadership, and what wins followers. Not the UN approach of realpolitik, compromise, lack of conviction.

"...and you're talking theological purity."

Post a quote of mine from this thread that backs up that statement.

[xzins]

I would prefer a hearing in the SCOTUS.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Oh, geez.

[xzins]

The following is the preamble to the constitution of Alabama.

PREAMBLE We, the people of the State of Alabama, in order to establish justice, insure domestic tranquillity, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution and form of government for the State of Alabama:

Who is the God they refer to in the introduction to their constitution?

[xzins]

Should I say ???? or :>)

[BamaG]

those answers are in the courts opinion, you can find it on weblaw.com glassroth (sp?) vs moore.

The court gives the details about the financing of the monument, the filming of it, and the fact that no other judge knew, or approved of the monument being placed.

what you have heard is true. It was front page news when it happened here.

Moore's support is rapidly diminishing here. Wait and see, he alienated a lot of people here with his contempt of court.

[BamaG]

Moore said "We MUST INVOKE the almighty God"

That's a commandment to worship, thats what the court ruled.

And the state ain't got no right to tell us how to worship.

[hedgetrimmer]

That no religion shall be established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship.

Lets look at this a little more closely.

The ten commandments is a founding principle for our law and the christian religion. Judge more didn't establish christianity by law, it existed before the United States came into being.

Christianity is not a religous sect; a sect is A group of people forming a distinct unit within a larger group by virtue of certain refinements or distinctions of belief or practice. So a sect would be a smaller group within the christian religion, and we have already ascertain the christianity is a religion and has not been established by law in Judge Moores case and he did not give preference to a particular sect of the christian religion.

The ten commandments is a principle for all christianity and not a denomination, which is A large group of religious congregations united under a common faith and name and organized under a single administrative and legal hierarchy. Judge Moore did not give preference to a denomination of the christian religion.

By placing the ten commandments in the courthouse, the judge did not give preference to a mode of worship, the statue was not placed there to be worshipped, and no services of worship were conducted at the courthouse. He did not force anyone to pay tithe to the monumnet, or taxes to the monument or pay a rate for repairing the monument, or pay for maintaining a ministry to the monument, or require that anyone take a religious test in reference to the monument and the capacities of any citizens have not been affected by the monument.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

It was supposed to be a picture so everyone can take from it what they will. Icon or idol - which can it be?

[hedgetrimmer]

www.dictionary.com

[xzins]

Now, when someone becomes an official in the state of Alabama, and they take an oath to uphold the state constitution, HOW do they fulfill the part about "invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God?"

How?