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Something Else We Didn’t Learn (Cathryn Crawford)
Washington Dispatch ^ | August 22, 2003 | Cathryn Crawford

Posted on 08/22/2003 7:06:59 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds

It was quite an embarrassment to several state governments after September 11, 2001, when it was revealed that many of the hijackers that were in the country illegally had state issued driver’s licenses. The flap over the revelation caused some state governments, especially the ones primarily involved, to rethink their policies concerning that issue. However, obviously some states didn’t think hard enough, because about half the states in the United States still provide illegal immigrants with driver’s licenses, and the erstwhile Grey Davis of California is using what are apparently his last days in office to push through a piece of legislation that will grant the right of driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants there.

Why would we reward illegal activity with the privilege of a driver’s license? What would possess us to do such a thing? It’s a policy of pessimism – we are, in essence, saying that we give up on the enforcement of immigration laws, and that we accept that there’s nothing we can do about it - so we might as well just say to heck with it and give them the license.

When you think about it critically (a talent that many government officials seem to lack) the entire idea is foolish in the extreme. Here we have a situation where we are giving illegals a pass to do all sorts of things here in America, including open a bank account, get an apartment, and apply for a Social Security card, when in reality we have no way of knowing who, in fact, we are giving this privilege to. In the case of the terrorist attacks on 9/11, the hijackers used their driver’s licenses as I.D. cards to board the planes that they used to murder more than 3,000 people. However, this circumstance doesn’t seem to give the governments of many states pause. They are just as gung-ho as ever about providing legitimacy to a bunch of lawbreakers.

It doesn’t make any sense to provide illegal immigrants with that sort of legitimacy. These people have openly, flagrantly violated United States immigration laws, most are here using false identification, and yet, some politicians and government workers seem more than willing to give them the means to stay in this country indefinitely – when the reality is, they should be deported as quickly as possible.

Issuing driver’s licenses to people who have violated our country, who have disobeyed our laws, and who have no respect for the United States government is not the way to discourage illegal immigration, or even a way to regulate the illegal immigrants who are here. Instead, it will make it easier and more frequent than it already is - and that, in turn, can and will make it easier for those who want to do harm to this country and its citizens to do so. The states should remember what happened on September 11, and learn a lesson from it. Not providing driver’s licenses to illegals may be a small step, but it’s a step in the right direction.

Cathryn Crawford is a student from Texas. She can be reached at feedback@washingtondisptach.com, and you can read more of her writings and opinion on her blog.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government
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1 posted on 08/22/2003 7:07:00 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds
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To: ValenB4; Scenic Sounds; Sir Gawain; gcruse; geedee; DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet; Chad Fairbanks; ...
Ping for Cathryn Crawford's latest column.
2 posted on 08/22/2003 7:09:37 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Cathryn Crawford is a student from Texas.

Good job, student from Texas.

Signed, Systems Analyst from Georgia.

:o)

3 posted on 08/22/2003 7:10:58 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
BTTT!!!!!
4 posted on 08/22/2003 7:11:12 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Scenic Sounds
I suggest we call illegal aliens "dukakises," in honor of the former Massachusetts Governor, Michael Dukakis. When he was governor, he set-up a large, utterly illegal state machine that issued drivers' licenses, fake social security numbers, and fake papers to illegals. I would LOVE for some researcher to tie 9-11 to this policy.
5 posted on 08/22/2003 7:17:23 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Scenic Sounds
The only reason they do it is political -- they think that they are helping themselves politically with Hispanics. They ignore or evade every other relevant consideration, including but not necessarily limited to the ones described in the article.
6 posted on 08/22/2003 7:22:41 AM PDT by kesg
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To: pabianice
I suggest we call illegal aliens "dukakises," in honor of the former Massachusetts Governor, Michael Dukakis. When he was governor, he set-up a large, utterly illegal state machine that issued drivers' licenses, fake social security numbers, and fake papers to illegals. I would LOVE for some researcher to tie 9-11 to this policy.

Well, that's an idea.

I wonder if it's difficult for states to discriminate on the basis of legal and illegal status when issuing driver's licenses. How can a state DMV determine whether someone is here legally or illegally? I wonder how complicated that process would be.

7 posted on 08/22/2003 7:22:53 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: Lazamataz
Signed, Systems Analyst from Georgia.

Wasn't this a big issue recently in Georgia?

8 posted on 08/22/2003 7:25:35 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
Wasn't this a big issue recently in Georgia?

Analyst, not Analism.

9 posted on 08/22/2003 7:27:47 AM PDT by Lazamataz (I have decided that I will follow the free trade policy of the most recent person who posts to me.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
I don't know which State(s) the author is referring to, but the facts are wrong.

They stole ID's from others and got drivers licenses as a result of that theft. They didn't just walk into a DL Bureau and get one. They used stolen IDs. For example, that is how a student from ERAU was implicated in 9-11, when he had nothing to do with it.

Oh well. At least the author got their name in lights.

10 posted on 08/22/2003 7:32:13 AM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: HiJinx; madfly
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11 posted on 08/22/2003 7:40:04 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Scenic Sounds
They do it in Florida. If you are a non-citizen, you must show your immigration papers to show you are here legally. I went throught the process as well as other co-workers. One fellow, a German, went to change the address on his liscence. They took his liscence and gave him 30 days to bring in the correct paperwork from the INS. When you first get a drivers liscence, you have to show proof of citizenship and it that is tied to your liscence thereafter.
12 posted on 08/22/2003 7:40:33 AM PDT by doc30
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To: Lazamataz
Grayout Davis has figuratively told CA to hold out its hands for recalling him ... and then he took a dump in their hands as their punishment for rejecting his criminal enterprise. Democrats=HYPOCRITES with blood-drenched hands (and in CA, piled high with Davis dung)
13 posted on 08/22/2003 8:04:45 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: doc30
They do it in Florida. If you are a non-citizen, you must show your immigration papers to show you are here legally. I went throught the process as well as other co-workers. One fellow, a German, went to change the address on his liscence. They took his liscence and gave him 30 days to bring in the correct paperwork from the INS. When you first get a drivers liscence, you have to show proof of citizenship and it that is tied to your liscence thereafter.

I see. I guess most citizens can demonstrate their citizenship by birth certificate.

If we expect DMV's to be able to handle this task, why is it felt by some that it would be unduly burdensome for employers to have to do the same thing, I wonder.

14 posted on 08/22/2003 8:22:23 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Cathryn Crawford
I posted this thread. I had intended to include the author's name in parentheses as part of the title - Something Else We Didn’t Learn (Cathryn Crawford). As you can see, I neglected to do that.

Are you able to fix that by adding her name in parentheses to the title?

15 posted on 08/22/2003 8:48:48 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
How can a state DMV determine whether someone is here legally or illegally? I wonder how complicated that process would be.

The answer to your first question: "Show me your papers"

As to being complicated, it's a royal pain in the rear end.

Shortly after we moved to Virginia I went to DMV to inquire about switching our Delaware driver's licenses. Between my husband and I we made 5 trips to DMV before we were able to get VA drvers licenses.

For him they wanted a copy of his birth certificate because he is a Jr.

For me I couldn't get one until I went to social security and changed my name in that system. It didn't matter that my Delaware driver's license had both my maiden and married names on it, nor that I had my marriage license - my social security card only had my maiden name on it.

The amazing thing was it was easier to get the name change at SSA than it was to get a DL from the commonwealth of VA.

16 posted on 08/22/2003 8:58:46 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers - personification of everything wrong in this country.)
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The amazing thing was it was easier to get the name change at SSA than it was to get a DL from the commonwealth of VA.

That sounds horrible!!

However, it seems to me that beneath all of these driver's license issues is the need for us to find some way of identifying who is properly residing in this country. Obviously, that is why many folks get so incensed to learn that states are issuing these driver's licenses without regard to the status of the applicant. The driver's license is like a badge of legitimacy and once someone gets one, a whole world of access is opened.

Immigration is inherently a national issue. Maybe it's time to seriously consider a National ID Card. ;-)

17 posted on 08/22/2003 9:07:30 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
It was a hassle, but it is how they are handling the issue of not giving DLs or ID cards to illegals. So it's not all bad.

I can't fault the clerks, they were all very polite and apologetic, but their hands were tied.

I had a good laugh with the woman at SSA when she said she didn't need to see any ID from me. Her attitude was someone posing as someone else would not be using a 6 year old original marriage license or original SS card!!!
18 posted on 08/22/2003 9:20:09 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers - personification of everything wrong in this country.)
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To: Scenic Sounds
oops, hit post too fast....

Immigration is inherently a national issue. Maybe it's time to seriously consider a National ID Card. ;-)

Isn't that what SS cards have actually become, even though they are not supposed to be used for ID????

19 posted on 08/22/2003 9:21:37 AM PDT by Gabz (anti-smokers - personification of everything wrong in this country.)
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To: Gabz
Isn't that what SS cards have actually become, even though they are not supposed to be used for ID????

Well, let me begin by saying that the real experts on this "bogus identification" game are probably the folks who engage in creating false/misleading identification papers for criminal purposes and I gratefully admit that I've never had to develop haven't any expertise in that area. I don't still have my original Social Security card (in fact, I don't presently have any Social Security card anymore), but when I did have one, I recall it to be just a piece of paper with my SS number and my name typewritten on the face.

I'm thinking that maybe it's time for a National ID Card (whether based on the Social Security number or not) that would be very difficult to either counterfeit or alter and which would in some way (photo, fingerprint, etc.) make it possible to reliably determine that the person possessing the card is the person to whom it was issued.

I recognize, though, that there are some civil libertarians out there who are opposed to a National ID Card under any circumstances.

20 posted on 08/22/2003 9:33:32 AM PDT by Scenic Sounds (Conservatism never really loses; it simply changes.)
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