Backers guard Ten Commandments monument

AP | 8/22/03 | BOB JOHNSON

[Maelstrom]

People kneel and pray in front of altars in church.
They aren't worshipping those altars.

People kneel and pray at the side of their beds.
They aren't worshipping those beds.

Shocking isn't it?

The "pastor's" claim that covering itup is covering up God is an identification of the problem I outlined: Censorship.

You of course have no problem with prohibiting worship, nor with censorship. You've always been a statist.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Why would an altar be located at a courthouse?

[Maelstrom]

No, you're seeking a more Communist state within the US.

This begins with the censorship of religion.

That you support many policies that inevitably lead to tyranny classes you clearly as an authoritarian or statist is no secret. I wouldn't go so far as to say that you are actually a card-carrying Communist.

One of communism's first tenets is to remove religion from the daily lives of the citizens...and you're certainly attempting to help them along.

[Maelstrom]

Not quite...when he was sworn into office...as all the other Justices were...he took an Oath on a Bible to God swearing to uphold the Constitution and defend it.

[Maelstrom]

It's not an altar.

[Texas_Dawg]

Now I'm a communist, it seems.

Hey, who isn't?

[OXENinFLA]

They can't keep the State Constitution and get rid of the tablets. What they're counting on is that we/you the people don't know what's in your State Constitution. They're using your ignorance against you. Get educated and read it. Then you'll see why this judge is fighting their actions, and why their actions are illegal.

Well put.

[Maelstrom]

What action has he taken to prevent it?

As I recall...Athena from the Roman Pantheon is already prominently displayed.

I suppose that's All Right because that goddess follows the Roman Pantheonic theme rather than a Biblical one.

[Texas_Dawg]

That you support many policies that inevitably lead to tyranny classes you clearly as an authoritarian or statist is no secret. I wouldn't go so far as to say that you are actually a card-carrying Communist.

Have you ever been to a Communist country? I work with underground churches in Cuba and have friends doing the same in China. We don't get to break the law (well, American ones that is) and go on CNN every day to celebrate ourselves.

[Maelstrom]

No law was broken.

[Texas_Dawg]

No law was broken.

So I guess they were dragging people off to jail for fun. Or are Alabama state troopers all evil heathen Communists now too?

[Maelstrom]

It's every bit a religious symbol as the 10 Commandments.

It simply doesn't have as many adherents.

The differences between the two is their themes: One is from the Roman Patheon, this one is Biblical. One is currently being persecuted, the other is merely considered "art".

The fact is, they're both art of equal gravity.

[Maelstrom]

"Congress shall make no law..."

Congress made no law that is Constitutional pertinent to the display.

No, they weren't dragging people off to jail for fun. It's part and parcel of the persecution of Judeo-Christianity due to the objections of those people against the unconstitutional censorship of an entire class of religions which use the Bible.

[Maelstrom]

Yes, I've been to a Communist country.

That's one of the reasons I'm shocked at how willing people here are for accepting the foundations of it in this country.


HOW DARE YOU HELP IT GAIN GROUND HERE AT HOME!

[Texas_Dawg]

HOW DARE YOU HELP IT GAIN GROUND HERE AT HOME!

Let's say this monument is kept in place (I supported attempts to keep it there and disagree with the court's ruling)... how many lives have you brought to Christ through it?

Let's say it's removed. How many lives are less able to hear the Gospel because of that?

If you've followed this thread or others that I've participated in, you'll notice that while some of these people supporting Moore may be more "conservative" (that's debatable), very few of them are professing Christians.

[mhking]

I was supporting Moore until I found out yesterday that he HIMSELF put that monument there, anticipating this very bit of attention he's getting.

The Ten Commandments and what they represent is no different than the other historical documents that signified "the law" to people of all time, but that is all that it signifies in this case. Moore, in his infinite wisdom, decided to elevate create this "constitutional crisis" by putting the monument there in the first place.

He knew what kind of mess it would cause, and we're stuck having to deal with it.

I'm a Christian and proud of it. I have no problem with the Commandments being honored; I've got no quarrel with the frieze of Moses or Jesus on the Supreme Court building in Washington. But let's put it this way. If Moore were Amerindian and put a sacred relic which signified an ancestral lawgiver on display the same way in the same place, most of the folks here would have no problem with taking it down.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. The only way that Moore should be permitted to retain the monument, is if those of other faiths were permitted to put equal representations of their laws in the same area.

I don't think Moore would be open to that, though.

[donning asbestos suit]

[Texas_Dawg]

No, they weren't dragging people off to jail for fun. It's part and parcel of the persecution of Judeo-Christianity due to the objections of those people against the unconstitutional censorship of an entire class of religions which use the Bible.

You don't think it's possible that there might be just one Alabama State Trooper who accepts Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour? Would he be a Communist for arresting the people breaking the law?

[Maelstrom]

The monument is a work of art.

Why would it bring Christ to anyone? That isn't it's purpose.

Removing it establishes the precedent that Free Speech does not apply to Christians. It establishes the precedent that religion can be prohibitted on public property.

Most people recognize the dual threats of censorship and prohibitions against religion. Moore is just a fallible man, the principles he is upholding in this instance are correct for the reasons I've stated. Moore doesn't lead this movement, he only allowed it to happen. Moore didn't pay for that statue, he only helped place it in the courthouse rotunda via his permission.

His action is more like Rosa Parks than Jim Jones. Recognize it and be glad.