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Police shoot, kill man
Press Enterprise (Bloomsburg, PA) ^ | 8/22/2003 | Susan Schwartz

Posted on 08/22/2003 3:37:32 AM PDT by Born Conservative

MOCANAQUA — State police shot and killed a man who was swinging a garden rake at them while his horrified wife or girlfriend and neighbors watched, witnesses said.

Life Flight was called to help the man neighbors identified as Edward Vega, of 121 Italy St., after he was shot in the chest around 6 p.m. But the Life Flight doctor declared him dead, and the helicopter took off without him, said Dr. George Hudock Jr., county coroner.

A pool of blood and the garden rake remained in the middle of the road. State police strung crime-scene tape to block the street. A forensics team arrived on the scene, and a trooper began interviewing neighbors. The road was still closed off at 9:30 p.m.

It's unclear how the incident began. Channel 28 reported that state police said Vega and a woman who lived in the house with him had been fighting. The woman reportedly called police and said Vega was violating a protection from abuse order.

Neighbors, who said they feared to give their names or get involved, said they came out of their homes to see the man they knew as Ed in the roadway swinging tree branches at two state troopers.

They said Ed backed away toward his detached garage, where he dropped the branches, grabbed the metal rake and began swinging that at the officers.

That's when one trooper, about three steps away from the raging man, fired the shot, the neighbors said.

The man's wife or girlfriend ran into the street, crying and covering him with kisses, they said.

Neighbors recall friendly man

Neighbors said the couple had four children, with a fifth on the way.

Some neighbors said they had seen police cars at the house before.

But several said they were shocked by the shooting.

One weeping woman was gently escorted away by a trooper. Other stunned neighbors watched the troopers from their porches or the sidewalk.

Johnny Cielli, 81, of 102 Italy St., said the man he knew only as Ed and his family had moved into the neat white house with red trim just a few months ago.

Ed was a small man, weighing only 130 to 140 pounds, he said. Cielli used to walk by his house every day.

"I'd see him, and he'd always say 'Hi,'" Cielli said. "He had a little dog, and he'd tell me, 'Don't worry about the dog. He won't bite you.'"

Annette Knorowski, 56, of 126 Pond Hill Road, stared when she saw the police tape and heard what had happened.

"Oh my God, he was such a nice guy," she said.

She said she baby-sat two children in a house just down the street from Ed's home.

She would walk by his house while she took the youngest girl out in her carriage.

Ed always smiled and talked to her, she said.

Sometimes, he would walk with her on his way to do gardening work around the town.

"He told me it was a nice town, that everyone kept the street so nice and clean, that the people were so friendly," she said.

He was always busy, doing yard work for people, she said.

Another time, he stopped by the house where she worked and dropped off some flyers advertising a new house cleaning service he and his wife were offering, he said.

"He was a hard worker," she said. "He was always going someplace to do something for somebody.

"If he just had a rake, they shouldn't have shot him," she said.

State troopers said they would not release a statement about the shooting until their investigation was completed.

Hudock said he would be conducting an autopsy this morning at Wilkes-Barre General Hospital.


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Life Flight was called to help the man neighbors identified as Edward Vega, of 121 Italy St., after he was shot in the chest around 6 p.m. But the Life Flight doctor declared him dead, and the helicopter took off without him

You know you're having a bad day when Life Flight comes to pick you up and then leaves without you...

1 posted on 08/22/2003 3:37:32 AM PDT by Born Conservative
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To: Born Conservative
There are many conflicting statements in this report. He was a great guy - his girlfriend - with 4 kids and one on the way called the cops and said the man was violating an order to stay away - ran to the dying man and kissed him.

Am I missing something in this whole story?

2 posted on 08/22/2003 3:46:55 AM PDT by Core_Conservative (Proud of my wife ODC_GIRL who Un-retired to support our War on Terror!)
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To: Born Conservative
so much for the term "peace officer" .... I guess those days are over.
3 posted on 08/22/2003 3:47:43 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: Core_Conservative
No seems to be denying he was swinging a weapon at the cops. That is enough to shoot him right there.

Too Bad. He dead. sounds like he lived as a fool, and he died as a fool. One less piece of trash.

Moral of the story? Don't go after the cops with a weapon. You will get shot. Only stupid people get themselves shot dead like this.
4 posted on 08/22/2003 4:00:47 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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To: THEUPMAN
Where does a cop draw the line? They could have just shot the guy in the leg, or used mace. He AND the rake would have gone down.

On the other hand, maybe the guy was just a real scumbag and deserved to die. I sometimes wonder if cops, in certain situations, simply become judge jury& executioner....and nobody knows the difference.

5 posted on 08/22/2003 4:01:07 AM PDT by Victor
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To: Victor
Good point. I never quite understand situations like this where the officer clearly has the firepower advantage yet shoots to kill. But then again, I've never been there. But it just doesn't seem right in a situation where a guy is swinging a rake to shoot to kill.
6 posted on 08/22/2003 4:05:13 AM PDT by americafirst
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To: Cyclops08
No seems to be denying he was swinging a weapon at the cops. That is enough to shoot him right there.

Really??? So if your neighbor comes over and 'threatens you with a rake' you can just blow 'em away?

You'd be brought up on charges in a heartbeat.

7 posted on 08/22/2003 4:06:14 AM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: Victor
yeah, your inclination is to wonder why they didn't just shoot him in the arm or leg....but, there is not enough real info in the story to assess completely. If the girl had a protection order...we don't know why. Cops used to be hammered for ignoring protection orders, letting the guy go ahead and beat or kill the wife or girlfriend. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't stop these nuts.
8 posted on 08/22/2003 4:09:48 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Victor
Totally unrealistic. You can't plan to shoot to wound. That's for Hollywood. Think about trying to hit a moving arm or leg.

I don't know all the facts, so I can't say that the LEO's weren't a little hasty. But if it gets to that point - for police or private citizen - center mass is your friend....
9 posted on 08/22/2003 4:12:20 AM PDT by The Coopster (Tha's no ordinary rabbit!)
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To: Cyclops08
If I were to kill someone in a similar situation I would go to jail. The cop is almost certainly a coward or a vicious thug or both.
10 posted on 08/22/2003 4:14:00 AM PDT by Rifleman
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To: Dudoight
In my military career I have known about men shot in the leg who died within minutes due to cutting the femoral artery. It's not uncommon. This can happen to a arm shot, too (but rarer). There has also been cases when someone has been shot in the heart or head and lived. When you shoot someone, assume you shoot to kill. Only God knows the outcome.
11 posted on 08/22/2003 4:15:45 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: The Coopster
Totally unrealistic. You can't plan to shoot to wound.

"That's when one trooper, about three steps away from the raging man, fired the shot, the neighbors said."

You're right...you can't expect a cop shooting from 3 feet away to hit a leg.

The cop is indeed fortunate that he was able to hit the guy at all from that distance.

12 posted on 08/22/2003 4:17:30 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill
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To: ActionNewsBill
...shooting from 3 feet away to hit a leg.

should be 3 steps away...maybe 9 feet.

Still a pretty far distance for a cop to make an accurate shot.

13 posted on 08/22/2003 4:19:35 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill
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To: Born Conservative
Taser, pepper spray, bean bag gun, rubber bullets, baton....all less lethal alternatives.
14 posted on 08/22/2003 4:20:18 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Rifleman
I think part of the problem is the attitude that leos seem to have nowadays.
Watch "cops" for an example. The condescending, bullyboy attitude does nothing to help diffuse a situation.

It's an ego thing the cop says "drop the rake" the guy says no.. kiss my a$$" .. then rather than suffer the "humiliation " of being disobeyed and looking for a way to calm the situation( like perhaps backing down a bit)the leo decides the best thing to do is shoot to kill.

Just wait until all those "peace keepers" from iraq come home and get jobs with the local sheriffs dept.
I m sure they'll know how to keep the civilian population under control.
15 posted on 08/22/2003 4:25:35 AM PDT by THEUPMAN (#### comment deleted by moderator)
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To: StatesEnemy
Not in NH
16 posted on 08/22/2003 4:46:47 AM PDT by Gaelic
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To: THEUPMAN
It's an ego thing the cop says "drop the rake" the guy says no.. kiss my a$$" .. then rather than suffer the "humiliation " of being disobeyed and looking for a way to calm the situation

There is just not enough information here to draw a judgement. We aren't told the size of the rake, whether the officer was hit with it, how long and how many the tines were, etc. A rake could make a pretty effective stick weapon, though it seems unlikely. I suspect the guy was drunk, or maybe it was suicide by cop. Once men get into the whole "domestic violence" system, their options get dramaticly reduced, they tend to be assumed guilty, and many become suicidal after loosing everything.

17 posted on 08/22/2003 4:50:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: americafirst
His rake was on full auto !!!
18 posted on 08/22/2003 4:53:25 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: Core_Conservative
Am I missing something in this whole story?

The man's wife or girlfriend..

The reporter sure missed something. I can't believe the editor let this go.

20 posted on 08/22/2003 4:57:25 AM PDT by csvset
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