Posted on 08/21/2003 10:10:02 PM PDT by FairOpinion
Edited on 07/12/2004 3:40:35 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I'm impressed that you were able to remember the name of the report I referenced to you. Kind of a name that tune in so many notes. You did well. I wondered because you were critical of Arnold for taking an approach that Reagan took, having independent auditors review the budget looking for ways to cut spending. In case you haven't noticed, we are recalling our governor because he hasn't exercised his sole power over spending, the line item veto.
Certainly you're not attempting to use convoluted reasoning in comparing Arnold to Reagan.
Actually, you started it by bagging on Arnold as an "actor", if you don't like the comparison, be more careful in your putdowns. ;)
This is ridiculous. This isn't speculation. Arnold has used hollow rhetoric and generalities in presenting his economic plan. The fact is, Arnold has said, he will not be releasing any details or specifics of his plan, until after the recall election. LOL You call that an open and upfront candidate? I sure don't.
Arnold has taken a page from the Reagan playbook, but you think it is a gimmick. Was the Grace Commission a gimmick too?
The twin pillars of fiscal conservatism, are found in cutting taxes and cutting governemnt spending.
Arnie has already promised to cut government spending, that doesn't qualify for a "moderate fiscal conservative" in your world? We'll now doubt be hearing about tax cuts soon enough from Arnold, then what will you have to say?
I know exactly whats going on in the Golden State. People are falling all over themselves to get on the Arnold bandwagon. People have become infatuated with Arnold and his megastar personna and public hijinks.
Careful, your ego is showing. ;) Surprisingly cynical for a Reagan man as well.
Since you referenced the Grace Report, why wouldn't you mention its name? I guess it was a slight oversight on your part. That's okay. No problem. All is forgiven.
>>>You did well.
Obviously, you didn't.
>>>I wondered because you were critical of Arnold for taking an approach that Reagan took, having independent auditors review the budget looking for ways to cut spending.
Let's be crystal clear. Arnold has not taken the approach that Reagan took. If Arnold gave some specifics on his economic plan for California, instead of casually brushing it aside, saying he will appoint some independent auditors to review it, I'd have a lot more respect for his candidacy. In this case, the two aspects go hand in hand. So far, Arnold has released no details and according to his public pronouncements, has no intentions of doing so, until after the recall election is over. And if he wins, of course.
>>>Actually, you started it by bagging on Arnold as an "actor", if you don't like the comparison, be more careful in your putdowns.
Hmmm. Your answers are sounding more and more convoluted.
>>>Arnold has taken a page from the Reagan playbook, but you think it is a gimmick. Was the Grace Commission a gimmick too?
The Grace Commission was a substantive endeavor, but aside from Reagan himself, few in the government took its results seriously. Arnold's plan sounds like a "gimmick". Good choice of words. You don't get involved in this level of the poltical arena without a solid economic plan, that lays out specifics and details. Sorry, Arnold doesn't impress me. But like I always say, he could have an epiphany anyday now and surprise us skeptical conservatives. I'm always optimistic and keep an open mind at all times. I just don't believe its gonna happen.
>>>Arnie has already promised to cut government spending, that doesn't qualify for a "moderate fiscal conservative" in your world? We'll now doubt be hearing about tax cuts soon enough from Arnold, then what will you have to say?
Hate to disappoint you and to rain on your rhetorical bluster. Since Arnold announced his plan to run, I've been hoping he would turn out to be a true fiscal conservative, or even a moderate. To date, that hasn't happened.
>>>Surprisingly cynical for a Reagan man as well.
I'm one of the few people around FR that isn't a born cynic. But it was nice chatting with you and I appreciate the somewhat, civil tone to your rhetoric and debate. Thanks.
PS- A friendly word of advice. Do yourself a favor and put a halt to the condescending tone that you incorporate throughout your remarks. It really doesn't serve you well. I believe we have more in common, then you think. Well, may be. ;^)
I was curious to see if you would remember it.
Arnold has not taken the approach that Reagan took.
Of course, I was referring strictly to the idea of setting up an independent audit of the budget to find areas to cut spending. Your expansion of my limited comment has caused your confusion.
The Grace Commission was a substantive endeavor, but aside from Reagan himself, few in the government took its results seriously. Arnold's plan sounds like a "gimmick".
I'll take that as a yes.
Since Arnold announced his plan to run, I've been hoping he would turn out to be a true fiscal conservative, or even a moderate. To date, that hasn't happened.
Of course, any candidate can only claim to be a fiscal conservative, and put forth statements to bolster that claim, as all the Republican candidates have, including Arnold. That you refuse to accept/believe them is another story.
I'm one of the few people around FR that isn't a born cynic.
You just became one through hard experience then, I take it.
PS- A friendly word of advice. Do yourself a favor and put a halt to the condescending tone that you incorporate throughout your remarks. It really doesn't serve you well. I believe we have more in common, then you think. Well, may be.
My tone is a rhetorical device which is a fine tuned response to whoever I am debating. And it works quite well, as you can see, even if you won't admit it. :)
Best of luck in your battles against the statists in the great state of Colorado.
LOL Yeah, sure. In my book, you're just a smart aleck.
>>>Best of luck in your battles against the statists in the great state of Colorado.
I'd say Colorado not only has the most conservative Governor in the nation, who will probably be a future GOP presidential candidate, but we also have a very conservative Congressional delegation to WashingtonDC. Senator Wayne Allard is a staunch conservative and even Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell has come around and developed into a fine conservative since joining the GOP. We also have five House members who have solid conservative credentials. Colorado may not be the size of California, but we represent mainstream American here in flyover country.
OTOH, your state of California is run by a bunch of liberal socialists and represented by two of the most liberal Senators around, Feinstein and Boxer. You elected Boy Davis as your Governor and soon you leftcoasters will be following up that fiasco by electing another liberal, Bustamonte or Schwarzenegger.
Enjoy.
LOL! I didn't think ya could. :)
Colorado may not be the size of California, but we represent mainstream American here in flyover country.
Hmmmm....what's real estate like in Colorado?
OTOH, your state of California is run by a bunch of liberal socialists and represented by two of the most liberal Senators around, Feinstein and Boxer. You elected Boy Davis as your Governor and soon you leftcoasters will be following up that fiasco by electing another liberal, Bustamonte or Schwarzenegger.
One thing is for sure, it is Bustabudget or Arnold. I choose Arnold, as he will cut spending, whereas Bustabudget has already promised to raise taxes by over $8 billion.
I choose Arnold, as he will cut spending ...
That's what he says. I could be wrong, but I think you'll live to regret those words. And if Arnold wins, he will increase taxes. Bank on it!
Best of luck, you'll need it.
A bit depressed these days. The housing market in Colorado, fueled by lower and lower interest rates was one of the hottest markets in the nation. It's not surprising that it's settling down.
Btw, what is California's budget deficit projected to be?
Was it $20 billion, $30 billion or was it $38 billion?
California is in total meltdown.
Must be the R beside Arnies name because his politics are the same as the lefties!
If you do come here, please don't Californicate Colorado. =^)
Not really. Then again, I live in conservative Colorado Springs/El Paso County, in southern Colorado. I don't make it up to Denver very often, but I would venture a guess that most Californian's who migrate to Colorado, head for Denver and even Boulder.
In the late 70`s and early 80`s the #1 bumper sticker slogan in Colorado was, "Don't Californicate Colorado". When I came here from NYCity in the mid 70`s, The Springs had 140K folks. Today that's roughly 375K in the city proper and 500K in the county.
You have to look at turnout by-party in special elections.
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