IBM lays off 15,000, HP 1300 [Outsourcing]

The Register ^ | 8/21/2003 | Andrew Orlowski

[RedBloodedAmerican]

I knew it! It's all a plot!! I thought he looked Hindu!!

[theDentist]

Having a position where you actually touch the hardware is more secure than anything virtual. Yet even so, what with hardware becoming more user-friendly and easily replaced, it's time for us to make that next great leap forward.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

but every job lost is another person going over to the Democrats

Nope. I got laid off after GW was elected. From where I sit, I am not the one who has moved in this conversation.

[Sender]

I work in tech support for a large (200k plus employees) corporation and I am worried that they will outsource our jobs too. They've already run off almost all the experienced engineers and are hiring young whiz kids who have never done anything beyond a PlayStation game, and who don't mind working long, weird hours for little money. Now they're moving us to a very undesirable urban location to save a couple of bucks and their attitude seems to be "if you don't like it, there's the door". Next stop: India, I'm sure. *sigh*

It's time to think about a "real" job that pays much less, but may keep me from going insane.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

You take all the fun out of it, you know.

[warchild9]

Actually, when I finish school, we're planning on moving out of state (staying within the South) for family reasons. The job and housing market here are very bad, and getting worse (though the local retail market is finding Mexicans to be unsatisfactory employees, and are looking for English-speakers).

[MatthewViti]

I'm sure you're the type who'd be happy to be homeless with children, so long as you don't live in Cuba.

[scottlang]

I am seeing it now. People are scared, and they are starting to demand something be done.

[swarthyguy]

Sitting nerby was an H1-B family, and we were in a Chinese restaurant.

Were they wearing the H1b identification badges?

In a Chinese restaurant? Oh, the Horror! The Horror of it all!

[ladysusan]

Don't know whether to laugh or to cry, Dentist.

Both at once, I guess.

The silver lining is that`the school system has never had so many qualified substitutes available....

[riri]

Bots may celebrate W

It's like a bizarro world. The Bush apologists are exactly equal to the Clintonista's. And the liberal Bush haters are saying the same exact crazy things the Rep. Clinton haters were saying. There was a thread earlier about how Bush is going to enact marshall law via executive order.

[lelio]

You may have to move again.

If you don't mind worshipping a cow, wondering what the quality of your water is, and if Pakistan is going to drop a nuke on you, I hear India is hiring.

That's one of the major problems of today. In the past you could move around the US to where the jobs were headed. If you didn't like being a part of a union you could move to union free Texas. Oh wait those jobs are being offshored too.

A lot of posters are missing the point 80% of the US isn't the hyper geniuses that we are on FR. However they could work in a factory for 10 years, buy a house, have a wife that stayed home and sent their kids off to colleges to better themselves. What opportunities like that do they have today? Work in retail?

Not that I'm a liberal that wants the government to hand out jobs, but I think the US was the land of opportunity precisely for that reason: you could be a below average intelligence guy and still have it pretty good. You're not having a swimming pool in your backyard, but you aren't starving at the end of the month either. I don't see that happening in the future.

Where am I headed with this? What happens when this is the lifestyle of a majority of Americans? Are they not going to vote in someone that plans to "fix" this? We might not like having to pay $15-20k an hour for factory workers, but it sure beats paying that to them in the form of welfare.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

"Bankruptcy law should be modified so the student loans could be discharged the same way as other debts. There is no way a Walmart employee will be able to pay back costs of advanced college degree."

That means everyone else pays for it. No way.

[Grando Calrissian]

A good indication of the health of a nation is that we are wealthy enough to pay the Chinese pennies to build our crap.

[hedgetrimmer]

You are not guaranteed a job in Cuba. Communists only give jobs to the faithful. You should check your facts.


The unemployment rate: 4.1% (2001 est.)



http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:3_IhGdxTGZAJ:globaledge.msu.edu/ibrd/CountryStats.asp%3FCountryID%3D117%26RegionID%3D4+cuban+statistics+unemployment+rate&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[harpseal]

Ping

On or off this list let me know.

[warchild9]

Another irony is a friend of mine's family is from India, and they became naturalized citizens three years ago to "find the better life in the USA". Now, his job has been outsourced to...India! He has two small children and a mortgage, and his wife is ill. They're selling their house, but beyon that they don't know what to do.

[hedgetrimmer]

The country-wide unemployment rate stands at 2.76 per cent, down 0.14 per cent year-on-year, according to statistics released on Thursday.

The urban unemployment rate, far higher at 6.28 per cent, also fell by 0.16 per cent from last year’s figure.

Ha Noi, the northern port city of Hai Phong and the north-eastern coastal province of Quang Ninh suffer the highest unemployment rate, according to the Ministry of Labour, Invalids and Social Affairs and the General Department of Statistics.

The unemployment rate ranges from 7.1 to 7.4 per cent in these regions.

http://www.usvtc.org/News/2001/October%202001/oc29_viet_nam.htm

[Texas_Dawg]

I'm sure you're the type who'd be happy to be homeless with children, so long as you don't live in Cuba.

No... that's why I don't want to imitate their trade policies.

[Texas_Dawg]

The country-wide unemployment rate stands at 2.76 per cent, down 0.14 per cent year-on-year, according to statistics released on Thursday.

Of course. It's a wonderful place. See how low their unemployment is? We must copy them.