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To: inquest
He's simply acknowledging a fact, namely that the ruling is illegal.

There is no such "fact", only Judge Moore's opinion. While he is certainly entitled to that much, the fact is that we have a procedure for determining the constitutionality of some thing or another, and that process has determined that his display violates the Constitution. Now Judge Moore would simply like his personal opinion of the Constitution to override the legal authority of those who have the duty to make such rulings.

And if you let him, Roy Moore will have successfully carved out another privilege that I highly doubt he is willing to extend to those who come before him in the courtroom - the privilege of determining for oneself which court rulings one does and does not have to obey. A nice gig if you can get it, but I am rather skeptical that Judge Moore would look kindly upon me if I baldly applied what he is doing for himself to my own case as he pronounced a ruling in it. "Sorry Judge - your ruling is unconstitutional, so I'm not going to obey it."

Or perhaps not. How much luck do you think I would have in front of Judge Moore with that one?

1,182 posted on 08/26/2003 11:37:59 AM PDT by general_re (Today is a day for firm decisions! Or is it?)
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To: general_re
There is no such "fact", only Judge Moore's opinion.

Of course there's a fact. I think we had this discussion on another thread a few months back where I believe you agreed that the Constitution's meaning is fixed, and not a subjective matter. Thus, it's meaning is a matter of fact, not opinion. Thus, one can only ascertain its meaning; one cannot "decide" it.

So either the 11th Circuit court is correct in its interpretation, or incorrect. If the latter (and all evidence points in that direction), then their ruling is objectively of no validity.

I am rather skeptical that Judge Moore would look kindly upon me if I baldly applied what he is doing for himself to my own case as he pronounced a ruling in it. "Sorry Judge - your ruling is unconstitutional, so I'm not going to obey it."

Or perhaps not. How much luck do you think I would have in front of Judge Moore with that one?

Irrelevant. If he issued an illegal order to you, you have the right and duty to disobey it, regardless of how he feels about it.

1,183 posted on 08/26/2003 11:50:08 AM PDT by inquest (We are NOT the world)
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