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This article combines facts with educated guess, based on previous experience.

The article is a little long, but it's really eye-opening and highly recommend reading it in its entirety.

"The Soviet bloc not only sold Saddam its WMDs, but it showed them how to make them "disappear." Russia is still at it. Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia's topnotch "retired"generals,Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff.

The U.S. military in fact, has already found the only thing that would have been allowed to survive under the classic Soviet "Sarindar" plan to liquidate weapons arsenals in the event of defeat in war — the technological documents showing how to reproduce weapons stocks in just a few weeks. "

1 posted on 08/20/2003 10:55:44 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: nightowl
Iraq WMD ping :)
2 posted on 08/20/2003 11:04:53 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
"All chemical weapons were to be immediately burned or buried deep at sea."

There's a stigmatic seer in Venezuela, Maria Esperanza, who commented on this and it was translated by her son in law: " She just feels there is much beneath the surface..."
4 posted on 08/20/2003 11:23:11 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...from the spiritdaily.com website)
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To: FairOpinion
I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Putin is planning a visit with Bush ..??
6 posted on 08/20/2003 11:35:43 PM PDT by CyberAnt ( America - "The Greatest Nation on the Face of the Earth")
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To: FairOpinion
BUMP!
9 posted on 08/20/2003 11:50:35 PM PDT by HighRoadToChina (Never Again!)
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To: FairOpinion
WMD Ping
10 posted on 08/21/2003 12:00:31 AM PDT by nathanbedford (qqua)
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To: FairOpinion; Grampa Dave
The Russian generals said, "We did not come to Baghdad to drink coffee."
14 posted on 08/21/2003 12:17:52 AM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: FairOpinion
bttt
21 posted on 08/21/2003 1:55:07 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: FairOpinion
All chemical weapons were to be immediately burned or buried deep at sea ...

In the news, for a few days prior to action in Iraq, were reports of a few suspicious ships just meandering around the worlds oceans. The reports said the ships were going from port to port, but were illegally not responding to regular contacts. I don't recall the reasons for the suspicions, but I do recall the speculation that these ships contained Saddam's WMDs.

22 posted on 08/21/2003 2:36:58 AM PDT by C210N
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To: FairOpinion
BUMP
24 posted on 08/21/2003 5:27:55 AM PDT by truthandlife
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To: FairOpinion
As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. ===

Soviet bloc? "Romanian spy chief who took order from KGB"? Definetely false. Romanian Chaushesku was autonomous very much time.

Others just usual speculations on theme of Soviet Union. Nothing new but old allergations.
26 posted on 08/21/2003 8:19:02 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks for posting this! It is definately one of the pieces of the puzzle as to why Saddam's "trading partners" didn't want us to go into Iraq. It's all going to come out eventually.

America's enemies (within and without) thought they had it made. They never banked on someone like GWB being elected here. Hahaha
27 posted on 08/21/2003 8:21:35 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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To: FairOpinion
It is worth remembering that Andrei Sakharov, the father of the Soviet hydrogen bomb, chose to live in a Soviet gulag instead of continuing to develop the power of death. ===

LOL:)))))))))))))))..

Saharov never lived in any gulags. He was under home arrest once in town Gorky. But it happened long after he ended his work on atomic weaponry.

You see?
29 posted on 08/21/2003 8:30:36 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: FairOpinion
Man, if I were president I would kick Saddam's butt and Afganistan's.... Oh, Bush already did that...
31 posted on 08/21/2003 8:32:57 AM PDT by Porterville (I hate anything and anyone that would attack the things that I love...)
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To: FairOpinion
Found two more "brilliant" pieces:))).

Primakov was in Baghdad from December until a couple of days before the war, along with a team of Russian military experts led by two of Russia's topnotch "retired"generals,Vladislav Achalov, a former deputy defense minister, and Igor Maltsev, a former air defense chief of staff. ===

Primakov went Bagdad as private person. He was once the prime minister of Russia during Eltsin presidency. But he is nothing during Putin's.
Those 2 generals was SOVIET generals not Russia's. Both participants of coup in 1991 was discharged from army.
Author conviniently ommited such a details. Why? The impression will be different. Right?

Even Igor Kurchatov, the KGB academician who headed the Soviet nuclear program from 1943 until his death in 1960, ==

There wasn't such thing as "KGB academician". It was Academy of Science of USSR. Saharov and Kurchatov was member of it. I recall many western scientists too. Like Hils Bor for example. I'm not sure but Albert Einstain was honorable member too.

It is amusing to analyse such an article. Very laughable:)).
32 posted on 08/21/2003 8:43:11 AM PDT by RusIvan
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To: FairOpinion
From the article, it is easy to see the real fruits of the months of delay. These fruits have not accrued to us!
33 posted on 08/21/2003 8:44:32 AM PDT by Gritty
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To: FairOpinion; RusIvan; nightowl; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here's more:

The Pacepa Accusation - Jay Bryant - Sunday August 23, 2003

An article by Ion Pacepa, which appeared in Thursday's Washington Times is much too important to simply be left to stand alone.

Pacepa charges that General Yevgeny Primakov, a former Prime Minister of Russia and onetime head of the Soviet foreign intelligence service, ran Saddam Hussein's weapons program and personally oversaw the liquidation of the evidence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Pacepa doesn't quite say it directly, but his article implies that Russian President Vladimir Putin was aware of and approved Primakov's role in the WMD disappearance program.

If all this is true, it is the most important news about Iraq since the fall of Saddam's government, for two reasons: first, it indicts the anti-American axis of old Europe in complicity not just to prevent us from getting too big for our britches, but in a willingness to prop up the most dreadful dictator since Stalin in the process.

Second, it provides the real answer to the embarrassing question: why haven't you found any WMD's?

Who is this Ion Pacepa, and why should we believe him? Once deputy chief of Romanian foreign intelligence, he defected to the U.S. in 1978. He remains the highest- ranking intelligence officer ever to defect from the Soviet Bloc.

To me, that pedigree means two things: he knows a lot about intelligence, and he knows how to lie.

Is he lying about Primakov? Or perhaps he's not exactly lying; but perhaps his theory is simply wrong.

Here is Pacepa's case. The Soviets and their allies always had a "standard operating procedure" for getting rid of weapons of mass destruction. Pacepa himself implemented the S.O.P. in Libya.

Saddam had such a procedure in place; Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu "told me so," Pacepa says, and so did Primakov, who "in the late 1970's…ran Saddam's weapons programs." There is a problem with this assertion, because Saddam did not officially come to power until July of 1979, and Ceausescu certainly was not chatting up Pacepa after the latter's 1978 defection. However, Saddam was the power behind the throne of his cousin General Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr, who assumed control of Iraq in a 1968 coup d'etat, so it all may be true at least de facto, if not de jure. But Pacepa needs to explain just how this part of the story works to have real credibility.

Primakov, according to Pacepa, worked with Saddam throughout the latter's reign, and it is true that he was closely involved with the Iraqi leader in 1991, earning the enmity of the administration of Bush the Elder.

Primakov's closeness to Saddam is attested by other sources as well. In 1999, when the general was Russian Prime Minister, journalist Seymour Hirsch published an article in the New Yorker alleging that Primakov had received an $800,000 Iraqi bribe hand-delivered by Tariq Aziz.

But the truly important piece of information in Pacepa's story is this: that Primakov was in Baghdad with two other former Soviet generals, Vladislav Achalov and Igor Maltsev, "from December [2002] until a couple of days before the war."

I have confirmed that he was there at least part of that time. On February 24, 2003, Condoleezza Rice was asked by a reporter what she thought Primakov was doing in Baghdad.

She didn't know, but she knew he was there, and referenced his parallel 1991 visit in her answer.

If Primakov spent anything like the three months before the Iraqi War in Baghdad, it is patently obvious that he was up to no good, and logical, given his expertise, to believe his mission may well have been orchestrating the deep-sixing of Saddam's WMD stockpile.

The worldwide press should pick up this story, investigate it thoroughly, and if it vets out make it front page news for a long time. They should smoke out Primakov – and his two cronies, too, perhaps even more so – and ask them to explain what they was doing on the banks of the Tigris in the winter of '03. Whatever lie they tell in answering, reporters should follow up on, disprove and write another week's worth of stories.

Putin, too should be made to feel the heat of this investigation. Primakov, Achalov and Matlsev may have been there on their own, without Putin's imprimatur, but I doubt it, and anyway, Putin should be put on the record with that claim, if he chooses to make it.

The world (not to mention the Democrats) is beating the Bush Administration about the head and shoulders with the accusation that there are no WMD's in Iraq. If the reason is because General Primakov implemented an old Soviet plan and liquidated the whole stockpile, then the world needs to know it

Jay Bryant’s regular columns are available at www.theoptimate.com, and his commentaries may be heard on NPR’s “All Things Considered.” .

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/Bryant20030823.shtml



43 posted on 08/24/2003 10:07:11 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Why do America's enemies desperately want DemocRATS back in power?)
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