LBJ was behind JFK's assassination, upcoming book contends

Knight Ridder Newspapers ^ | Aug. 20, 2003 | HYE JEONG

[Diddle E. Squat]

You're assuming the administration would object to this book. How do you know it isn't meant as a warning of what other RAT misdeeds might be revealed if the RATs are excessively uncooperative?

Interesting theory. Not sure if I buy it, because believe it or not, many things do move independently, but it is still an interesting theory. And I am sure the administration was aware of this upcoming book through the vetting process of Scott.

[tpaine]

Yes indeed.
You should have seen old fred25 jumping thru hoops a couple of years ago to justify the magic bullet.

We had several very informative threads on the subject back then. The upshot?
There are those duped by the warren report, and, all the rest of us.

[Diddle E. Squat]

I have no problem believing that Oswald was the one, and only, shooter. However, Jack Ruby and his background is very suggestive that Oswald was acting for somebody or group, not as a lone nutcase.

[Diddle E. Squat]

No no no, aluminum foil is just fine. There is a reason that they are called the Aluminati...

[The KG9 Kid]

"... How about the "single bullet theory"? That of the three shots fired, One missed, One was the final head shot, and the third hit both Kennedy and Connally a total of seven times?"

I want to preface my comment by saying that I'm not against a multiple gunmen theory, or CIA + Cuba + Russia + LBJ + Illuminati + Cthulhu worshippers being behind the assassination of President Kennedy --- only that I believe that Oswald could certainly have been a trigger puller on that day.

As far as the 'Magic Bullet Theory' goes, I should note that one of the first eye-opening experiences I had with the crazy things high-velocity rifle bullets do was as a machinegunner in the Marine Corps. In that role, you tend to have a job where you shoot more rounds in a year's time that most other service members will do in their whole career. You get to see firsthand what the effects are on all sorts of various targets -- Armor plate, dirt embankments, tree trunks, tree limbs, bushes, tires, barrels, GI cans filled with water, unexploded ordnance on occasion, vehicle relics, trash and crap, etc. etc. etc.

The thing that really makes an impact is tracer rounds during night fire at the range. Some tracers jump up in the air and spin like a glowing ball, some zig-zag after bouncing off three small rocks, some make trails like a bolt of lightning, etc. I've even had some shots damn near come right back at me when shooting at a range that has a lot of fired lead buildup. They all describe the random bullet path of each round fired. They don't all do that, but you get to witness some weird shots numerous times per night.

When I really sat down to read the account of the 'Magic Bullet Theory', it later made me think several things:

1. Was the path of the 'Magic bullet' a lot straighter than the anti-'Magic Bullet Theory' conspiracists lead us to believe? They claim that Kennedy and the governor of Texas were at precisely this angle with their arms just so and their torsos angled exactly in such a way based solely upon the Zapruder Film. I look at the Zapruder Film and think that they've got a great imagination. I see a short and blurry home video starring Jackie Kennedy wearing a big ass hat right before JFK's head explodes.

2. Rifle bullets have a lot of punching power. Fold a piece of paper over on itself a few times and poke a pencil through it. Have you made one hole or multiple seperate holes?

3. I believe in the *possibility* that the Carcano bullet could have zipped around in a skewed path causing several wounds to Kennedy and Connally and come out partially intact. I only say this because I've personally witnessed bullets do strange things after they hit and picked up damned near pristine bullets fired downrange on numerous occasions.

Ever seen strange things happen on the break in a game of billiards? It's a lot the same way. I landed a cue ball inside someone's pitcher of beer five feet away from the table with a giant sploosh one time and the triangle of balls on the table hardly broke up.

In relation to the rest of the Kennedy Assassination conspiracy, I can't say that I'm a serious student of the Warren Report or a fanatic about the subject. I'm interested, but not scholarly about it. I just wanted to make the point that I noticed that just about all conspiracies about the assassination of President Kennedy are based upon the belief that Oswald couldn't have made the shot because bullet will always take on a ballistic laboratory's flight characteristic expectancies.

It just ain't always so. Why not this time?

As for LBJ being in on the murder, or the CIA, or the Soviets, or Castro... Who knows? That's not my point.

[ntnychik]

Are you thinking of the work Hillary did just after college on the team that was working on Nixon's impeachment? LOL, she wrote the standard for that one, then went into BIG LIE mode when the Pubbie House Managers tried to use the same standard for Clintoon.

[PhilDragoo]

I recall Fred25, the omnipresent expert, the fly on the wall, no doubt the precursor to the unnamed source behind the yellowcake revelations emanating from truthout.

Another all-purpose handyman is Gerald Posner.

His 1993 Case Closed based on American Bar Association evidence was followed by his appearance on Mike Wallace's 60 Minutes smear of Christopher Ruddy and his The Strange Death of Vincent Foster.

Then Ruddy crowed over the finding of death by natural causes in the case of Carlos Ghigliotti the FLIR expert hired by the Davidians. Ghigliotti was found dissolved in his office, having proved 200 shots by FBI/Delta at Davidians fleeing the fire.

Dan Moldea appeared to refute the culpability of Thane Eugene Cesar in the shooting of RFK which forensic expert Thomas Noguchi said was caused by four .22 cal. shots from behind, to the right, from below, and point-blank: leaving residue--yet Sirhan was never in position, only Cesar the security guard who carried a back-up .22 that night, and whose clip-on tie RFK grabbed as he went down.

Moldea claimed he cleared Cesar with two polygraph exams.

Moldea was part of Terry Lenzner's IGI, responsible for dirty tricks for the Clinton operation.

[Junior_G]

The Men on the Sixth Floor is an excellent book supporting the theory that LBJ was behind the assassination, working primarily through his murderous associate, Malcolm Wallace. Wallace had been performing dirty deeds (primarily murder) for LBJ since Johnson's days in congress.

[First Conservative]

It has been interesting, as a long time student of the murder of JFK, to read all the comments. Over the years I have accumulated quite a few of the books written about the event. >

Anyone that still believes the Warren cover-up or that Oswald even fired a weapon that day should wear a tin foil hat, because even the U.S. Congress had to finally admit there had been more than one shooter.>

A question, though. Why do you suppose that Gov Connally would not allow the bullet fragments in his leg to be removed? He and his wife always testified the bullet that hit him was NOT the bullet that first hit JFK! The bullet fragments would destroy Arlen Specter's "magic bullet" theory.)

Most of the known facts have been posted. Howard Hunt of later Watergate fame was apparently involved. The actual shooters (not Oswald, the "patsy," by his own admission when he was alive and realized what was happening to him) will probably never be known, but I also believe they tri-angulated with the fatal head shot coming from the "grassy knoll.">

Who benefitted the most from JFK's death? Obviously, it was LBJ and his subsequent actions as Pres reveal his motives. LBJ was capable of orchestrating the entire event - especially the cover-up as Pres - but I doubt we will ever know. Lincoln's assassination is still a controversial subject!>

Incidentally, although I was 35 in '63, I am one who does not remember where I heard the news. (Probably because I was conservative and did not like JFK!)>

[Diddle E. Squat]

Umm, can you give us the Cliff Notes version of the video's theory? That red on black text can quickly induce a headache...

[Mo1]

There are those duped by the warren report, and, all the rest of us.

My mother was one of them .. then a couple years ago there was a documentary I made her watch .. that made her change he opinion real fast.

[montag813]

JFK was so insignificant a President outside of the Cuban Missile Crisis (which Truman, Reagan or Nixon would have handled with ease). Only his assasination places him in the top 3 in every survey.

[breakem]

Interesting reply. You are the first person that has told me he didn't know where he was. Conservative or not, when the pres get's shot, it's not a slow news day. best wishes.

[Kaslin]

It was Johnson ... Ladybird Johnson.

That is what my husband always said

[j.frank.dobie]

Mr. McClellan was well known mostly for his fondness of drink. I have heard it said that the only reason that he was able to keep his law license was his connection to the esteemed UT Law School Dean Mr. Page Keeton (father-in-law via current Texas State Comptroller Ms. Carole Keeton McClellan Rylander Strayhorn). Sounds to me like he may not yet be a friend of Bill W.

Ambassador Clark (Australia) led a long and distinguished legal career, living (and practicing law) well into his 90's.

As much fun as all of this is -- consider the source -- and go take a shower to get rid of the slime.

[PhilDragoo]

Harold Weisberg, Case Open, Carroll & Graf, 1994, pages 123-124:

Ignoring the flummery of all these reconstructions and the obvious errors, the Commission itself proved that the unhurried assassin would have required a minute and 14 seconds. And the policeman at a "kind of trot" rather than a fast run would have required only a mnute and 15 seconds less than the time-span of the shots, or at least four seconds less time. If things happened as the Report alleges, Baker would have been at the lunchroom before Oswald. And with baker's gun in his belly, Oswald, having just killed the President, was "calm and collected".

[breakem]

thanx

[PhilDragoo]

Harold Weisberg died recently, it may have been this January.

Some years ago I sent for a box of all of his books and received a nice note penned by his wife Lillian.

He is a very thorough researcher as his books show, and there is nothing at all spectacular or sensational about his work.

Again, the devil is in the details.

[tpaine]

"I recall Fred25, the omnipresent expert, the fly on the wall, -- "


Yes, freddy was a foremost authority, having been everwhere and done it all. Whatta guy.
-- I hear he's over at some AFholer site, entertaining Mojo & the boyos.. Maybe if we call again, ---

[txdoda]

bttt......