Ten commandments in AL: Midnight Removal Deadline Remains, Says People For the American Way

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Supreme Court Denies Judge Moore Plea For Stay; Midnight Removal Deadline Remains, Says People For the American Way

8/20/03 5:37:00 PM

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To: National Desk, State Desk

Contact: Peter Montgomery of People For the American Way, 202-467-4999

WASHINGTON, Aug. 20 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The U.S. Supreme Court today denied a last-minute plea by Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore to stay a federal court order requiring the removal of a massive Ten Commandments monument Moore installed in the rotunda of the state's judiciary building. The high court's decision not to intercede today does not necessarily indicate whether or not the justices will agree to review the case in the future.

"It is time for Roy Moore to end his constitutional game of chicken and agree to uphold the rule of law," said People For the American Way Foundation President Ralph G. Neas. "If he continues to deny the authority of the federal courts, other Alabama officials must take action. It is outrageous for the state's chief justice to declare himself above the law."

[Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS]

Link for first part of post #18 SUMMARY: Chief Justice Roy Moore's Case Defending The Display Of ...

[ItisaReligionofPeace]

Sounds like we have another classic case of the Federal Government trying to run the states.

[So Cal Rocket]

Matthew: Here's a good site:

http://www.whateveristrue.com/heritage/gallery.htm

[thoughtomator]

Can you give me the gist of the argument that was made in that decision?

[TonyM]

I think we should refer to this ruling as the “Judas Ruling.” It is after all the court saying to the state of Alabama that it must disavow god. The only difference is we don’t get a handful of silver in return.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Can you give me the gist of the argument that was made in that decision?

The Supreme Court's frieze depicts the history of law-- it shows Hammurabbi, Moses, Confucious, Mohammed, and various Greek, Roman and other lawgivers. It doesn't say or imply that any one religion is being endorsed by the Supreme Court. Moore's monument, the 11th Circuit found-- based largely on Moore's own testimony-- was designed specifically to endorse Protestant Christianity. Moore admitted in his testimony that he used the King James translation (a translation not accepted by Roman Catholics, Jews or Eastern Orthodox) because he is a Protestant.

[Dog Gone]

They may not be conscripted to do the Federal Government's bidding.

No, but they may be enjoined from conducting activity which has been ruled in violation of federal law or the US Constitution. The difference is significant, and that's why Judge Moore may not lawfully defy the court order.

[onedoug]

Actually, most siddurim (Jewish Prayer Books) utilize the King James (or slight variations) in translation from Hebrew. It's highly regarded for its "lofty" English.

[CFC__VRWC]

How long do you suppose it'll be before the ACLU and People for the American Way demand the removal of these?

[drjimmy]

Not only that, but all the crosses and Stars of David in the Arlington National Cemetery!
Oh no! It's too late! The crosses and Stars of David have already been removed by those godless commie judges!

[So Cal Rocket]

It wouldn't surprise me if the ACLU demanded removal of the murder laws in the US, because they're based on the Commandment "Thou shall not kill".

[MatthewViti]

Thank you very much!

[DaveyB]

Ping for later!

[Javin]

Why doesn't G.W. Bush issue a pardon for this activity? I remember Keyes saying he would issue pardons if the courts ever told people they could not bring bibles to work.

[Lurking Libertarian]

Actually, most siddurim (Jewish Prayer Books) utilize the King James (or slight variations) in translation from Hebrew. It's highly regarded for its "lofty" English.

I don't think so, and you're talking to an ex-Yeshivah Bochur. You are probably thinking of the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation, which does have a lot of KJV-influenced "Bible English." But the KJV itself is not accepted by Jews (for, among other reasons, its translation of Isaiah 7:14).

[onedoug]

Who am I to argue with an "ex-Yeshivah Bochur"? Though I took a cue from the "translations" bibliography of the Hertz chumash, and, as ger tzedek, guessed that since it seemed close enough to Birnbaum's Ha Siddur Ha Shalem (used in the shul I attend), and my transliterated Artscroll, more or less assumed that it was close enough. Those (biblical) translations are quite Elizabethean.

Though I am grateful to learn otherwise. Thank you.

[Traffic_Can]

what a bunch of Freekin' athiests!!

[Lurking Libertarian]

Hertz chumash,

A great edition-- I love Chief Rabbi Hertz's commentaries, though I don't always agree with him. It uses the 1917 JPS Translation, not the KJV, for its English text.

Birnbaum's Ha Siddur Ha Shalem (used in the shul I attend)

I am no longer Orthodox, but I know the Birnbaum Siddur, and it is an excellent edition; many Orthodox shuls use cheap editions that have typos, bad translations, and other faults that Birnbaum avoided.

[onedoug]

I like the reform Plautz, too.

Everything good. And thanks, again.

[ItsBacon]

There are crosses and Stars of David on the tombstones themselves, though they might not be in the shape of crosses and Stars of David.