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To: JohnGalt
I would side with Patrick Henry on virtually anything against the Federalist crowd and I don't think he would be any more of a foreign policy surrender monkey under today's circumstances and technology shrunken world than he was in the eighteenth century.

Henry's rhetoric never suggested that it issued from a man cowering in the corner reading poetry while guzzling wine and getting all weepy over the possiblity that there might actually be, well, WAR, with people getting hurt and all and profits being interrupted and, gee, its better to be nice than not nice and can't we all just get alooooong?????

Self-government has to do with rejecting international restraints on sovereignty, national restraints on state limited sovereignty of the Tenth Amendment kind and government that meets its responsibilities against domestic criminals and foreign threats, pre-emptively rather than waiting to be whacked first, particular after we have been whacked before. I do not care for democracy when it elects the Arkansas Antichrist or if it were to elect Mrs. Antichist. I love democracy when it elects Ronaldus Maximus. I prefer democracy to oligarchy because democracy's errors are more easily correctable. Read Ortega y Gassett's Revolt of the Masses but be SURE to also read the far more recent Christopher Lasch's Revolt of the Elites.

Sound instututions include the United States Army, the United States Navy the United States Marine Corps, the United States Air Force. We could use something like a State Department operated by patriots for a change. Maybe a patriotic spy agency that works for the United States and does so efficiently. The Roman Catholic Church, for all its flaws in this country under leftist stooges, is a sound institution as guaranteed on the Highest Authority. Many other churches are sound institutions as well. Homeschooling is a sound institution. A handful of schools are as well. There is a grave distinction between liberty and libertinism and more so with Randian self-indulgence. The Knights of Columbus are a sound institution.

If you fail to recognize the contribution of people like Norman Podhoretz, Midge Decter, the late Sidney Hook, Gertrude Himmelfarb, and, yes, Irving Kristol, the late George Meany, the late Daniel Patrick Moynihan, whatever their flaws and omissions, to many aspects of liberty, you are simply wrong.

136 posted on 08/22/2003 10:05:15 AM PDT by BlackElk ( We're off to hunt the RINOs, the RINOs who want to rule Oz! Becuz, becuz, becuz.....)
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To: BlackElk
Irving Kristol has conceded the allegation that the 'neoconservatives' and the folks you listed, are not interested in preserving liberty.


Did you just not read the piece or like Jonah denying the existence of the neocons, you'll just ignore the grumpy old man?
138 posted on 08/22/2003 10:45:01 AM PDT by JohnGalt ("the constitution as it is, the union as it was")
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