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To: BlackElk
You compare me to Baghdad Bob yet offer no substantial rebuttal to the facts listed in post 61. Those facts are historic realities so there is only room for a differing conclusion drawn from those facts. Since you don't like my take how do you define our actions?

Your rambling paragraphs about anti-Semitism, paleocons, the New Left, quotas, neocon luminaries, anti-gay remarks and Pearl Harbor are a bit difficult to respond to as the message is somewhat muddled. I'll pick a couple of lines though.

> America IS a good nation

This statement is simplistic and sloppy. You seem to combine many diverse elements under a broad and loose generalization. There are and have been many good people in America who do and have done many good works. What the government is and does should not be included in individual or small private group efforts. The principles that founded our government, a high point in human events, are long dead and gone, betrayed by dishonest activists and judicial tyranny based on socialist/marxist contempt for limited government and personal liberty. Seeing people in the collective and as one enitity defined by the government is a leftist notion. Did you say you were a neocon?

> our military should be as strong as we can make it and as prepared to do what is right and good;

Are you implying there is a mission beyond defense of American territory that is "right and good"? It sounds that way. Do you mean right and good things like securing foreign countries for US oil corporations, er, I mean regime change, nation building, spreading democracy?

> pacifism and isolationism are ross embarassments to any nation

Who among libertarians or traditional conservatives is calling for pacifism? Defense of the nation is constitutional i.e one of the few legitimate functions of the government.
How is peaceable trade with all and permanent entangling alliances with none or not searching the world for monsters to destroy isolation? Really, come on now. Isolation is what ancient China once was - cutting off all contact with the outside world. Just who in America is calling for that? The isolation line is a popular retort but it is inaccurate to the point of being dishonest.

> The original editors of National Review other than Buckley were all refugees from the hard left

And don't forget the CIA connections. Their mission was to get the right wing to accept the establishment's program i.e. the internationalist world vision of the progressives and socialists under the old ruse of the enemy is at the gate. They have served their masters well.

106 posted on 08/21/2003 5:45:02 PM PDT by u-89
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To: u-89
If the message seems muddled other than the last paragraph's editing omissions, go to your community college for remedial reading and try to get permission to use conservative texts to kill two educational birds with one stone.

1. You parrot the Iraqi line. Hence: Baghdad Bob.

2. Pay close attention. I am only going to repeat this for you this last time lest you get the idea that neo-Neville Chamberlainism is EVER going to be acceptable again as any kind of "conservatism." NEOCONSERVATIVES: A relatively small group of very old and usually Jewish ex-liberals and ex-leftists who do not fully accept economic conservatism but have made distinguished contributions to conservatism as prebviously posted. See Irving Kristol's Two Cheers for Capitalism. CONSERVATIVES: The conservative movement post 12/7/41 which believes and believed in an aggressive, interventionist foreign and military policy to advance American interests, social conservatism, fiscal conservatism, guns, lowest taxes, low public spending other than military. See Ronald Reagan.

"PALEOs": not conservatives, unemployable social eccentrics angry at Reagan for not hiring them, "constitutionalist" poseurs, people who consort with the likes of Raimondo.

You complain that calling the "paleocons" isolationists is dishonest???????? Your ranting that assumes that actual conservatives have any use for the CIA sounds like a delusion of the International ANSWER crowd. We all thought that Castro got his job via the incompetence of the Ivy League liberal weenies running the CIA and kept his job via the same.

America IS a good nation on balance whther the habitual malcontents like to think so or not.

Ranting about US corporations and oil or the evil CIA does not suggest your conservatism.

Internationalism is another diplo-weenie scheme to tie the US down an restrict its freedom of intervention. In the last analysis, the air power, naval power and infantry power o the US accomplishes far more than a lot more useless diplomatic yak-yak.

Do not assume that I accept your misuse of terms, either.

115 posted on 08/21/2003 10:38:37 PM PDT by BlackElk ( We're off to hunt the RINOs, the RINOs who want to rule Oz! Becuz, becuz, becuz.....)
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