[VRWC_minion]

You lose. The father admitted hitting two of his children in the fact, having his boys sit with bags over their heads Gitmo-style, and refusing to allow his teen daughter to see a GYN. The court found that he engaged in "excessive disciplinary measures" and entered an order with safeguards to protect the kids - from their father. But at least he wasn't gay, as far as we know.

Excessive displine isn't the same as abuse. Were both children female ?

[lugsoul]

"beat" is, I believe, the word used in the post you challenged.

The oldest child was a girl. The younger kids were boys. He punched them in the face. There was testimony from the kids, that Dad denied, that he drew blood when he punched them in the face.

But, to Judge Roy Moore, none of that matters because Mom is a godless lesbian.