US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Commandments

Sean Hannity Show ^ | 8-20-03 | Sean Hannity

[george wythe]

Christians were never promised to be free from discrimation or persecution.

This judge is wrapping himself in the Christian religion, while disobeying the clear commandments in his Christian Bible to obey the secular authorities.

He did not even get a permit from the local building superintendent to modify a public building that does not belong to him. He acted furtively since the beginning, flaunting the rule of law.

[Robert_Paulson2]

looks like a 9-0 ruling against the judge.
it is NOT a historical display and the judge made it clear.

question: Will he defy? Go to jail? Pay the fines himself? or leave it there, pay the fines via the prayerful contributions of jan and paul and associates?

makes for a great fund raiser... I vote for the last option as the highest probability...

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

Since you didn't comprehend what I was saying, read post 153. Heck, I'll repeat it:

The 1st Amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

IF any law was made by congress respecting an establishment of religion, the Court is oath bound to disregard it. They must be impeached and removed from the bench. They have no authority to tell Moore to remove the bedrock of civilization, the foundation of all law, the 10 Commandments. Nor do they have the moral authority to preside over small claims court.

[MEGoody]

"The Judge put the Ten Commandments there in the middle of the night."

The things weighs quite a bit. He didn't do it by himself. And putting in something that big in the middle of the night wouldn't be at all unusual - no disruption to the flow of 'people traffic' that way.

[SedVictaCatoni]

Today i'm ashamed to be an American.I have taken down my flag and refuse to fly it.It is a disgrace for brave men and women to fight and die for our freedoms while an American judiciary tears those freedoms down!!This is now a country that rewards criminality but persecutes people because of their religious beliefs.So much for freedom.

Yes, yes. Any specific examples of how the federal courts forbidding Alabama from recognizing the Book of Exodus as the basis of its law persecutes Christians? Have the federal marshals locked up anybody for practicing Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion, lately? Or are you just engaging in histrionics?

[Modernman]

Obedience to unconstitutional rulings or laws is repugnent to the Constitution.

The Supreme Court determines what is and isn't constitutional (see Marbury v. Madison). Congress writes the laws, the SCOTUS interprets them, the Pres. enforces them.

Ignoring the workings of our system is repugnant to the Constitution.

[MEGoody]

"He took the children away from their mother because she became a lesbian, and gave custody to the father, who used to beat them."

Sounds like both of them should have lost custody.

[Robert_Paulson2]

it takes the house and the senate and the president to make a bill law... just a group of reps offering a bill that is NOT signed, does not make give their 'wish list' the force of law.

it will be removed.

[JohnnyZ]

What is unconstitutional about this particular ruling?

I think most arguments have it that the series of rulings (I don't know that people are addressing the USSC refusal to . . . in particular) is more like extra-constitutional, based on an invented interpretation of church and state that has no basis in the US Constitution and results in ridiculous prohibitions like this one.

[Abe Froman]

So you admit that the Supreme Court may have ruled "wrongly", from your point of view, that the "In God We Trust" motto does not violate the establishment clause? Could it be then that they are ruling wrongly in this case? When they willfully ignore the wording of the Constitution, overstep their bounds, and rule based on dubious stretches of circumspect interpretation, they are wrong and should be impeached. No one is perfect, but when a judge deliberately seeks out the clearly improper ruling and goes to great lengths to do so, they should be removed.

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

"...it takes the house and the senate and the president to make a bill law... just a group of reps offering a bill that is NOT signed, does not make give their 'wish list' the force of law..."

Power of the purse strings neuters any potential act of tyranny. It is a power congress weilds, carefully planned by our Founding Fathers for moments just like this one.

[MEGoody]

"This judge is wrapping himself in the Christian religion, while disobeying the clear commandments in his Christian Bible to obey the secular authorities."

Actually, as I recall from the argument of this judge, he was refusing to comply based on what he interprets the constitution to mean.

[Moose4]

Oh, no. Now what?

I expect the object in question will be removed or moved somewhere else sometime in the next few days, and Justice Moore may quite possibly get himself arrested trying to stop it (if he wants to go that far).

Maybe he should try to put up a statue of Mohammed or verses from the Quran about killing infidels. I doubt the ACLU would give much of a rip about those.

}:-)4

[JohnnyZ]

In the dark of night blatant mischaracterization and without the approval of other members of the state's highest court, or even the building superintendent is he chief or is he chief?, Moore erected the tablets in the lobby – he says

to make an important point about the moral foundation of American law.

[SedVictaCatoni]

The concept of debt relief in bankruptcy is a relgious one directly take from God's teachings to Moses. Those who put faith in God and receive his benefits are likewise obligated to treat others the way God treats them, therefore the concept of foregiveness of debts.

The Bankruptcy Code is derived directly from the writings of Moses? Who knew! I'll be sure to check up in Exodus or Leviticus the next time I'm trying to determine if overcollateralization exists to permit payment of post-petition interest, or trying to figure out if an adversary proceeding under Chapter 13 is a core matter over which the Court has jurisdiction.

Or did you mean to say that our moral ideas such as forgiveness come from divine inspiration, in which case that is self-evident and there's hardly a need to set up a giant stone monument to the specifics?

[Labyrinthos]

Just please explain to me how the 10 commandments are government promoting religion.

Becaue five of the ten commandments are purely religious in nature, such as "thou shall have no other gods before me" and "thou shall not use the lord's name in vain." And what's the one about the idols and graven images?

Jesus freakin Christ. I use that phrase a lot in between the God Dammersteins and other colorful phrases. I also have lots of trophys and artifacts in my house that some people might consider idols or graven images. And some day, I might go hindu and worship another God. Who in Jesus' name is Judge Mooron to thrust his relgious beliefs on me everytime I walk into the Alabama Supreme Court.

[lugsoul]

That's a real funny example, given that Dr. Kennedy, Judge Moore's televangelist cash cow, is a proponent of Christian Astrology.

[petitfour]

There is a law library within this building. Is it ok to put the first laws within the building? Should the Alabama Constitution not be on display within the building? Should the US Constitution not be on display within the building? It has become an item of worship for many. It is an idol to many. No matter. God will sort this out in His own time.