US Supreme Court refuses to block removal of Ten Commandments

Sean Hannity Show ^ | 8-20-03 | Sean Hannity

[Hotdog]

Does anyone know what we can do to start to get rid if these backward judges? Are ther any groups I can join or support?...hey they are doing it in CA...why not the SC

[Modernman]

Oh I see. If a judge tells you to bend over so he can slip something up you, you must comply? Be a man!

Judges can order very invasive tests in a judicial capacity- DNA tests, blood tests etc. A judge on the street couldn't order you to do something, but he certainly could if you were before him in a judicial context.

Your argument is ludicrous,anyway. Has something like that ever happended in real life? It might explain your dislike of judges....

[VRWC_minion]

There is no content. You can't read them in the SC. The words do not appear.

It has been argued that people don't need to read what the judge place their they could just ignore it. In response its been said that the mere presence of this monument imposes itself on all that pass that religion is an issue.

I believe the term is "religuious threshold".

Well, both the SC freize and Moore's monument establish a "religious threshold" by their mere presence. The analogy is equivalent.

[Abe Froman]

#1 If you have no good reply then keep your mouth shut rather than impugn my intelligence.

#2 You are no doubt referring to bad precedent and faulty interpretation of the clear, simple text of the 1st amendment when you imply that I don't know my "constitutional jurisprudence". Some Supreme Court judges willfully ignore or thwart the Constitution, and some are simply unable to form a coherent thought. Either way it's bad law.

[Chuckster]

Its always good tho have a dictionary handy:

Establishment = 9. an established church, esp. the Church of England

Established church = a church that is recognized by law, and sometimes financially supported, as the official church of a nation.

and perhaps most enlightening of all-

Establishmentarian = 3. a supporter or adherent of the principle of the establishment of a church by state law; an advocate of state religion.

and as for respect:

respecting = regarding; concerning [1725-35]

Thus, the First Amendment, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion....' could be read as - "Congress shall make no law regarding the creation or implementation of an official state religion.", or so I was taught some forty plus years ago.

[INSENSITIVE GUY]

Today i'm ashamed to be an American.I have taken down my flag and refuse to fly it.It is a disgrace for brave men and women to fight and die for our freedoms while an American judiciary tears those freedoms down!!This is now a country that rewards criminality but persecutes people because of their religious beliefs.So much for freedom.

[kesg]

"I agree. It's over, and Justice Moore lost. As a Chief Justice of a state supreme court, he should re-affirm the rule of law"

Obedience to unconstitutional rulings or laws is repugnent to the Constitution.

What is unconstitutional about this particular ruling?

[JohnnyZ]

The only time that Christians disobeyed Rome was when the secular authorities forbid them to practice their religion.

Uh, no. "Hey Christian, see that lion? Let it out of its cage so it will eat that child!" "Hey pretty Christian virgin! Come over here and let me ----" No, don't think they'd follow those. "Hey Christian judge! Ignore the right to freedom of religion in your constitution (the real authority), deny any religious foundation for the law, and comply with our unjust orders!" No, that doesn't fly either.

[cajun-jack]

well, dingleberry, if anyone is stupid enough to trip over a 5300 lb rock, they should not be allowed outside unless on a leash. Just please explain to me how the 10 commandments are government promoting religion. Yeah, i know we are a diverse nation...athiests, muslims, wicthes and satan worshipers...hell they even have snake worshipers in some parts.....but the 10 commandments are the very principles that this country was founded on and like it or not.....you can remove the rock that belongs to the judge but you can't remove the rock that this country was founded upon!!!!

[george wythe]

Monumental clash over Ten Commandments

Not long after winning with the support of Southern Baptists, Judge Moore teamed up with a sculptor and designed a two-ton carved stone monument of the Ten Commandments.

In the dark of night and without the approval of other members of the state's highest court, or even the building superintendent, Moore erected the tablets in the lobby – he says to make an important point about the moral foundation of American law.

The monument is such a hit with some Christians that many have arrived by the busload to view it, with some kneeling and pray before it like a holy shrine.

[Labyrinthos]

Insulting one's intelligence is not a substitute for a good argument.

"Good argument" assumes there is room for debate. On my side, I have dozens of Supreme Court cases and perhaps hundreds, if not thousands of Circuit Court, District Court, and State Court cases, decided by both Dem and Pub judges, affirming the well-recognized constitutional principle that the First Amendment applies to the States through the 14th Amendment. And you're going to respond, "That's not what the 14th Amendment says," "where does the 14th Amendment specifically refer to the 1st Amendmend," "that's just the judges' opinion but its not law," "the judges ought to be impeached," and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You are wrong, get over it, and move to an area of legitimate debate.

[F.J. Mitchell]

"even if he disagrees with it."

Really? Even if the Constitution disagrees with it too???????

[Arthur Wildfire! March]

The 1st Amendment reads "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

IF any law was made by congress respecting an establishment of religion, the Court is oath bound to disregard it. They must be impeached and removed from the bench. They have no authority to tell Moore to remove the bedrock of civilization, the foundation of all law, the 10 Commandments. Nor do they have the moral authority to preside over small claims court.

[VRWC_minion]

and to the best of my knowledge do not relate to any crime on the books of any state.

The concept of debt relief in bankruptcy is a relgious one directly take from God's teachings to Moses. Those who put faith in God and receive his benefits are likewise obligated to treat others the way God treats them, therefore the concept of foregiveness of debts.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

That would come as a surprise to the military chaplains who are currently serving, as well as to all those lawyers and litigants in the cases where that issue was decided.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Sounds idolatrous to me.

[Lurking Libertarian]

even if Christianity did affect his rulings, they would be less harsh in that the message of Christianity is one of forgiveness, renewal and reconcilation. Even if i were an atheists, I would rather take my chances with a christian judge. I would likely fare better.

You can tell that to the woman who lost custody of her children in a decision written by Judge Moore. He took the children away from their mother because she became a lesbian, and gave custody to the father, who used to beat them.

[Modernman]

What we need are elected officials with the backbone to IGNORE idiotic court decisions. There must be limit to this nonsense.

There is a limit to this nonsense- a constitutional amendment. Governor Wallace was a big fan of ignoring judicial decisions he didn't like. Not somebody I want my elected officials emulating.

[Conservababe]

I never even noticed the sculpture and until it was recently brought to my attention. And unlike Moore's monument, the sculpture doesn't actually contain the text of the Ten Commandments, but rather shows the tablets symbolically as part of an artistic exhibit of the history of our legal system.

You have made Judge Moore's argument. He said yesterday that religious symbols will be allowed only when no one notices them, as in Supreme Court. Isn't this a rather subjective interpetation from the Supreme Court. Wonder if anyone reads anything into their opening of their court.

"God save the United States and this honorable court".