Posted on 08/19/2003 3:14:19 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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James Madison, Speaker of the House before becoming the 4th President, led the efforts to pass the Tariff Act of 1789. American production of cloth--cut two-thirds by British dumping in 1816--grew an astonishing 1,650 percent within four years of Madison's tariff becoming law.
"The prohibiting duties we lay on all articles of foreign manufacture which prudence requires us to establish at home, with the patriotic determination of every good citizen to use no foreign article which can be made within ourselves without regard to difference of price, secures us against a relapse into foreign dependency." --Thomas Jefferson to Jean Baptiste Say, 1815.
"...[E]xperience has now taught me that manufactures are now as necessary to our independence as to our comfort..." Thomas Jefferson, 1816
And Monroe signed Henry Clay's Tariff Act of 1824 into law.
No, but Real Men sure do impose tariffs!
wherever globalization has taken hold, there has been a measurable improvement in incomes and working conditions Like Thailand, Cambodia, Columbia, Venezuela .
Western businesses know that treating workers poorly is bad for business back home I guess firing American workers and replacing them with cheap foreign labor does not count as treating workers poorly
American consumers demand that US companies respect worker rights, and US companies producing abroad pressure their local suppliers to do the same-a truly virtuous cycle Oh yes, those women and children in the Vietnam sweatshops have American corporations looking out for their benefit.
Given it is 2003 Most gradfathers would have said of course we need tariffs. The first protective tariff law wa spassed inb 1789 as teh second act of the first Congress. Thomas Jefferson was proud that tariffs balanced his budget and supported tariffs that encvouage the developmentof industry. A point a got from free Trade advocate who was actually knowledgeable about history is that in 1789 wages in England were higher than in the USA. A scant thirty years later Wages in teh USA were higher than in England. His history was just a little flawed because he was thinking there were no protective tariffs in place.
1. Get rid of government subsidies for offshore investment of US companies. OPIC is the first such program which should go but support of World Bank programs that subsidize the outflow of Capital would be another.
6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system. Institute a cap on punitive damages, limits on class action suits, and limits on liability to the actual percentage of liability with no plaintiff able to collect if said plaintiff was involved in the commission of a felony at the time of the alleged tort or was more than 49% negligent in the alleged tort. Note that the loser in a frivolous lawsuit shall pay the attorney fees of the winner. There are many other regulatory structures that also need to be included that need to be included such as repealing the Family leave mandate, getting rid of OSHA etc.
12. Decrease the punishing levels of taxation on companies and eliminate the double taxation on corporate dividends.(snip)... Eliminate all IRS provisions that inhibit free use of independent contractors by businesses for example section 1706.
Please explain "section 1706"
Now this was added at just the time the big seven accounting firms were purchasing a number of the smaller IT consulting/contract service companies.
Now lets get this clear this will only work as a package deal anything less does not have a prayer of even really getting noticed. NBow clearly I am not an absolutist regarding Free Trade I believe as Adam smith did there are four sound reasons for Tariffs and I even go along with David Riccardo's principles about tariffs being justified because of absolute advantage. I did not include that justification in my tariff proposals. I further did not rule out a revenue tariff even though I am not at this time advocating same. Said revenue tariff would be in place of income taxes but IMHO would raise insufficeint revenue by itself at any level that could be passed.
Now most of my fous in teh discussion has been on Chinese tariffs but as of February 5, 2003 the following statement of fact is included in the following link. Indias tariffs are today, more than ten years after the beginning of economic reform, the highest in the world, except for those of Pakistan, according to the World Bank.
Now what we have is not Free Trade we have Unfree trade. We have a trade war where some are advocating unilateral disarmament on our part. IMHO it makes about as much sense as a person advocating eliminating our armed forces on December 8, 1941 so we do not have to fight with the Japanese.
Y'all will have to take my word for it that I typed as slowly as I could.
Now answer the questions I posed (unless you are just a free trade troll, in which case thanks, good luck and good-bye).
;-)
Basically I am coming to believe that the same arguments that apply to the reduction of regulations and taxes on multinationals are also applicable, if not more applicable, to individual taxpayers. And the sky-falling predictions of free traders droning on about how tariffs can only hurt me begin to fall flat. Maybe we should even arrange for a tariff withholding for multinationals. The point is that taxation is a fact of life and it is the free traders who seem to be duped into whining about it on behalf of the all-wonderful multinationals (who after all are only fictitious persons).
Now if all one wants to do is increase the wealth and power of multinationals at the expense of real US citizens via "free trade", you may have scored some points...
(And in response to what will probably be your next point, I do draw a distinction between large and small investors, due to the inability of insider trading laws to keep the stock market playing field level.)
Now lets get this clear this will only work as a package deal anything less does not have a prayer of even really getting noticed.
Why not? Your 3 proposals would increase the competitiveness of US companies, and so would appeal to the free traders that have the upper hand today.
So were mine ---- and I actually think I'll end up okay --- I've got two jobs now and taking classes, I've learned Spanish, and all the rest ---- I'm ready, you might be. But it's not really about just you and me ---- it's what is happening to the majority of Americans, including the lower skilled Americans who will never work again because millions of factory jobs and garment worker jobs are gone forever. And American programmers who will quickly slip backward in their skills if having to clean carpets for a living instead of programming. It matters what happens to the most Americans --- I think the Founding Fathers realized that. Most of them could have opted for the aristocracy and gotten themselves into that class easily enough ---- but they had a greater vision.
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