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Bush Confident Congress Will Expedite Energy Bill
NY Times (take with a grain of salt) ^ | 08/19/03 | BRIAN KNOWLTON with MARK J. PRENDERGAST

Posted on 08/19/2003 1:07:20 PM PDT by bedolido

WASHINGTON, Aug. 19 — Five days after the power failure that blacked out all or part of eight states and two Canadian provinces, President Bush said today that Congressional Republicans had assured him that a conference committee would begin work within 20 days on a final package of energy legislation.

Speaking near his vacation ranch in Crawford, Tex., Mr. Bush told reporters that he spoke by telephone Monday night with two crucial Republican lawmakers on energy issues — Sen. Pete V. Domenici of New Mexico and Representative Billy Tauzin of Louisiana — and that they had assured him they could reach an agreement on the hard-fought energy legislation.

The president said he was "very confident" that the legislation would include mandatory standards on reliability, including penalties if electricity suppliers failed to reliably provide power.

"What that means is, that companies transmitting energy will have to have strong reliability measures in place, otherwise there will be a consequence for them," he said. "There will be incentives in the new bill to encourage investment in energy infrastructure."

He added: "I have been calling for an energy bill for a long time. And now is the time for the Congress to move and get something done."

Mr. Bush, who indicated his preference for the House version of the legislation, would not say whether he wanted the bill — a controversial package that has been lurching slowly through Congress — to include any other special provisions geared to preventing blackouts, though he said he was confident that House and Senate negotiators could reach overall agreement.

Republican and Democratic legislators have been less sanguine about this, however. The Democrats have said the administration should strip the more controversial provisions from the package, including one to permit oil drilling in sensitive Alaska wilderness areas. Republicans say the blackouts, with their severe economic disruptions, underline the need for a broader approach.

President Bush also indicated that while he believed that new individual tax cuts were not needed now to invigorate the economy, corporate tax cuts might make sense.

"I believe the tax relief packages we have in place are doing their job," he said. "But I'm a flexible person."

Mr. Bush also noted that Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham is to meet with his Canadian counterpart on Wednesday to discuss a joint inquiry into the blackout, though he allowed that "I don't know how long it's going to take to find out what went wrong."


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1 posted on 08/19/2003 1:07:20 PM PDT by bedolido
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To: bedolido
The Democrats have said the administration should strip the more controversial provisions from the package, including one to permit oil drilling in sensitive Alaska wilderness areas.

Their Holy Grail.

2 posted on 08/19/2003 1:18:49 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, in groups or whole armies.....we don't care how we getcha, but we will)
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To: bedolido
Go ahead, Dasshole, and fall on your sword by continuing to bottle up this bill like you have been doing for two years now.

And on a different subject, mandatory reliability standards will simply kill California, which has been counting on neighboring states for their spinning reserves (without paying for it).

3 posted on 08/19/2003 1:20:58 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
Over the last 10 years the power in NYC has been 99.997% reliable.

We need new laws to capture that additional 0.003%!

4 posted on 08/19/2003 1:32:54 PM PDT by Voltage
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"The Democrats have said the administration should strip the more controversial provisions from the package, including one to permit oil drilling in sensitive Alaska wilderness areas. "

The idea of self reliance thru environmentally safe drilling is 'controversial' on its face?

To me, NOT drilling in our situation is controversial.
5 posted on 08/19/2003 1:47:26 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: At _War_With_Liberals
One blackout in 26 years. Oh, the inhumanity! Let's spend 50 billion, so Dems can feel warm and fuzzy.
6 posted on 08/19/2003 1:49:40 PM PDT by At _War_With_Liberals
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To: Voltage
I'm not so quick to decide. It looks like at least one electric company, New Energy, has been flirting with disaster for years. They may or may not have been responsible for this blackout, but they will have a failure sometime.
And it's clear the grids need work. We should have been able to transfer power from the South to NYC within minutes. Reliability numbers of less than "5 9's" (99.999%) should be unacceptable in any technical venture today.
7 posted on 08/19/2003 2:13:52 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: bedolido
The DOE and the Energy Bill are mostly a waste of money and good gov't bureaucrats. It's one of several federal departments that ought to be eliminated.
8 posted on 08/19/2003 2:15:57 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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To: speekinout
Oh you city folks! My county electrical coop has quite a few power failures. I suggest taxing city folks to pay to improve our country power lines...seems fair!
9 posted on 08/19/2003 2:25:24 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: Voltage
My county electrical coop has quite a few power failures. I suggest taxing city folks to pay to improve our country power lines...seems fair!

:-) You're probably out of luck. Customers all over (hopefully through fees and not taxes) will be paying to upgrade the grids. But if you're in the country with those dreaded above ground electric lines, you're not going to see much improvement.
The only time I've been happy to see new development is when one huge project required burying an electrical line which had previously been on a pole between the hot drinking spots and a bedroom suburb. Now I don't have to put coffee in a vacuum bottle on Sat night. :-)

10 posted on 08/19/2003 3:32:45 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout
I suggest that you call the ennviro nuts and tell them that you demand that all power grids be upgraded. And when they tell you to go f yourself come back and tell us your answer to this problem.
11 posted on 08/19/2003 4:56:17 PM PDT by cksharks
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To: bedolido
Why is it that when CA went through months of rolling blackouts, brownouts, and Greyout it was a state issue.Now NY has a blackout for ONE DAY it's a national emergency.And how many Billions will we add to the deficit to fix it?
12 posted on 08/19/2003 5:25:19 PM PDT by edchambers
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To: cksharks
I suggest that you call the ennviro nuts and tell them that you demand that all power grids be upgraded. And when they tell you to go f yourself come back and tell us your answer to this problem.

That's easy. Tell them to f themselves, and we have the power to fix the problem and intend to do so ASAP.

13 posted on 08/19/2003 6:11:22 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout
I was kidding of course...I don't think anybody but myself should pay for my electric service.

I find it pretty sad when people who have as reliable electrical service as they do in NYC do so much complaining. After an ice storm I was without power for 7 days and I didn't blame the president. Out here in the country all the lines are above ground..because that's all we can afford. I have a generator, a cheap one, that will power the well, keep the refigerator running, etc. Maybe it's time these fancy pants out East gave some thought to being a little more self sufficient.

14 posted on 08/19/2003 9:31:39 PM PDT by Voltage
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To: Voltage
I find it pretty sad when people who have as reliable electrical service as they do in NYC do so much complaining.

I dunno. If I lived in NYC, I'd probably be whining a lot. I have a friend who lives in an efficiency apt (that's one room) on the 26th floor. You can't keep a lot of stuff in one room - certainly not a generator, and not even much food.
I'd have a hard time choosing between spending even 24 hrs. in one dark, stuffy room with no food except dry cereal and walking down (and up again) 26 stories. I'm sure I'd whine no matter which choice I made. :-)

15 posted on 08/20/2003 1:42:12 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout
We should have been able to transfer power from the South to NYC within minutes.

You wouldn't want to do that. Lines losses (even at extremely high voltages) will kill you. What you want to do is take power from your nearest neighbor, if he can give it to you, and then let him pull in from his neighbors what he needs to make up whatever deficit his lending you power caused, and so on, until you've damped out the perturbation. The trick is to bring in the additional demand in such a way that you don't take down the neighboring grid by demanding more than they can provide. Imagine plucking a spider web. The force is transferred through the different strands. Everyone feels it but hopefully nothing breaks.

That was the problem this time. The load couldn't be transferred, so it was shed. The neighboring grids had to be isolated or they'd be taken down by the too-great demand. What policymakers should do is put incentives in place that make the local grids more reliable, both for generating capacity (number one) and the ability to share load reliably.

16 posted on 08/20/2003 1:54:26 PM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera
What you want to do is take power from your nearest neighbor, if he can give it to you, and then let him pull in from his neighbors

Yes, I understand that. I was trying to be brief. The point was that we have three isolated grids - they can't transfer power between them. The companies working within each grid can exchange power, but when one grid is in total trouble (like the West last year and the NE just recently) the others can't help.
We'd be better off with country-wide interconnections.

17 posted on 08/20/2003 2:33:47 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: speekinout
But the whole of the NE grid didn't go down. I am just south of the blackout area and while we had a flicker or two, we stayed on line. The intragrid connections in this case were adequate, but there was too much drawdown in the one area, so it automatically isolated.

A nationwide interconnect would be useful for those areas where instability crosses regional grid boundaries. Sufficient and reliable local capacity would also be helpful. I'm not talking about solar panels on a rooftop or a windmill here and there, but robust and reliable baseload plants that can keep an adequate spinning reserve on a more localized level. Right now California counts on out-of-state spinning reserve to keep their margins up to par. They're literally flying on a wing and a prayer.

Of course, if you build in adequate reserves, the enviro-whackos come after you, saying you're overbuilding capacity. Well, yeah, you do, but if you want to bring up reliability, that's one thing you need to do.

18 posted on 08/21/2003 6:32:22 AM PDT by chimera
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To: bedolido; newgeezer
I sure hope the energy bill includes lots and lots of windmills.
19 posted on 08/21/2003 6:33:05 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: chimera
A nationwide interconnect would be useful for those areas where instability crosses regional grid boundaries. Sufficient and reliable local capacity would also be helpful.

The nationwide interconnect would also be useful in cases where so much of the grid has been affected that what is left just cannot supply the demand. I really don't see any downside to having a nationwide connection, except the complaints of the environmentalists and NIMBYs.
Reliable local capacity would be a good thing as well, but the problem with that is the same environmentalists and NIMBYs.

Reliable electric power has done so much for the quality of life and the wealth of the US that I can't imagine why some people fight upgrades. Without it, Manhattan would be a slum of 5 story tenements, and no one would be able to live in vast parts of the Southwest. OK, maybe that's a little over the top, but not by much.

20 posted on 08/21/2003 2:36:02 PM PDT by speekinout
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