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Capitalism Magazine ^ | August 19, 2003 | Walter Williams

Posted on 08/19/2003 10:13:15 AM PDT by luckydevi

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To: dennisw
Okay if one really looks at the article by Williams he is complaining about the underlying conditions in the USA that make capital investment here not as good an idea as Capital investment in other places. I will disagree with him on tariffs but when pinned down he is a believer in Afam Smith's philosophy about the reasons where tariffs are justified.

To go to Smith "[It is] advantageous to lay some burden upon foreign (imports)," i.e., impose tariffs.

Among Smith's reasons were "the defense of the country," "for the encouragement of domestic industry," for "revenge" and "retaliation" on nations that impose tariffs on one's own exports -- and to break open foreign markets.

Now my proposed solution actually adresses the points that cause teh flight of Capital to other nations.

In no particular order of importance.

1. Get rid of government subsidies for offshore investment of US companies. OPIC is the first such program which should go but support of World Bank programs that subsidize the outflow of Capital would be another.

2. Use tariffs on those nations which are engaged in unfair trade practices such as currency manipulation (China and India for example), those nations which refuse to open their markets to US products (China for example with its 50% tariffs on US consumer goods and non tariff barriers), those nations that subsidize competition to American Industry (airbus for example) and those nations which have slave conditions for their workers.

3. Use tariffs and other means to prevent the relocation of jobs offshore that are essential to the national defense. If necessary take control of the company seeking to export vital technology or industry by means of eminent domain (No I do not like this last option and I will only defend its use as an absolute last resort like say in the case of rare earth magnets essential to smart bomb technology). Provide a hardened, widely distributed infrastructure to supply all that is needed for our military units and civil defense that can be continued to be deployed in the event of any military attack.

4. An immediate end to guest worker programs. If people wish to come to the USA to work and make a life let them immigrate according to the rules.

5 Provide economic development zones where the corporate income tax is zero for operations within these zones. In order to operate in this zone a company must agree to only purchase American components if available and employ only American citizens or legal immigrants in these operations. These economic development zones shall be eventually be expanded to include every bit of every state once the benefits are shown I would like them to be totally implemented immediately but I realize4 that may be overreaching.

6. Scale back unnecessary regulation including the tort system. Institute a cap on punitive damages, limits on class action suits, and limits on liability to the actual percentage of liability with no plaintiff able to collect if said plaintiff was involved in the commission of a felony at the time of the alleged tort or was more than 49% negligent in the alleged tort. Note that the loser in a frivolous lawsuit shall pay the attorney fees of the winner. There are many other regulatory structures that also need to be included that need to be included such as repealing the Family leave mandate, getting rid of OSHA etc.

7. Increase the domestic content in purchases by the Department of defense and give absolute preference in non-domestic content to proven allies of the USA over say the French or Germans. The only reason any content for DOD purchase may come from non US allies is that content is not available elsewhere and is essential.

8. Do not allow expense involved in moving operations overseas to be included in business expenses under the IRS code.

9. Prosecute for perjury anyone who has made a false statement in order to employ an H1B or L1 visa worker. I will be lenient on the actual perjurer if he/she was ordered to make this false statement and he/she provides testimony to aid in the conviction of the person ordering the perjury. Just because a person is a CEO does not give them a pass on criminal behavior.

10. Prosecute anyone who orders the transfer of vital defense technology or funds a R&D project that could be of use to our military overseas except to strong allies of the USA. Make the necessary enhancements to our espionage laws so that continued support or funding of any R&D in a nation whose government has threatened the USA is guilty of espionage. The UK and Australia come to mind as meeting these criteria for being eligible for transfer of technology first. There will be other nations and a gradation of what can be transferred to which specific nation. Under no circumstances may technology be transferred to any nation whose government has threatened the USA within five years without a complete change of government or specific exemption from Congress and the administration.

11. Deport all illegal aliens immediately and take measures that prevent the entry of any more illegal aliens. Fine all companies knowingly employing illegal aliens Criminal sanctions should be imposed on anyone helping an illegal alien stay in the USA in violation of our laws.

12. Decrease the punishing levels of taxation on companies and eliminate the double taxation on corporate dividends. See effects of item 5 for how minimal this will be if item 5 covers the entire USA. Eliminate all IRS provisions that inhibit free use of independent contractors by businesses for example section 1706.

13. Eliminate the minimum wage so that the worker can be paid based on productivity. Overtime compensation will remain the same but instead of 150% of the "wage" the worker would receive 150% of the production pay. If one through 13 are enacted # 14 becomes an irrelevancy as no one will be working for that low a wage.

I not I may be expandiung #3 with some additional definition of what is needed for national defense. That is pending.

21 posted on 08/19/2003 10:35:16 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: luckydevi
"It'd make far more sense for Americans to start attacking the real source..."

...deviation from a Constitutional tariff system and the implementation of an income tax.

22 posted on 08/19/2003 10:35:39 AM PDT by gnarledmaw
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To: luckydevi
Opinions?

It's typical rhetoric from the center-right on this subject. Williams is a mouthpiece for his compatriots who have grown fat on government incentives to go offshore with their business, not to mention millions of $ in bribes from third world countries to do the same.

The corporate suits who facilitate this exodus have no interest in this nation beyond filling their pockets. They have no identity with America. They have no code, and no soul. And neither does Walter Williams.

23 posted on 08/19/2003 10:36:21 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: clamper1797; sarcasm; BrooklynGOP; A. Pole; Zorrito; GiovannaNicoletta; Caipirabob; Paul Ross; ...
ping

On or off this list let me know.
24 posted on 08/19/2003 10:36:37 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: dennisw
After Enron, after the tech stock bubble wiped out his 401K, after outsourcing, the common man has little reason to have any respect for the megacorporation.
25 posted on 08/19/2003 10:37:02 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: scottlang
The more jobs leave, the more people who will vote democrat. Bush will stand or fall on jobs.

He will if it gets bad enough. Look for Bush to work to restrain the flood of jobs leaving the country until after the election. Then the floodgates will open and the tidal wave will commence.

26 posted on 08/19/2003 10:39:12 AM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: harpseal
Pretty thorough document. Thanx
27 posted on 08/19/2003 10:40:42 AM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: MonroeDNA
Fie on foolish free traitors and free market über alles types. Libertarianism sounded great on paper (so did communism) but ya'll remain clueless when it comes to hard reality.

As soon as your ox gets gored you will screech out a different tune. Libertarian ego-trips and pride goeth before fall.
28 posted on 08/19/2003 10:41:04 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: luckydevi
He has a very valid point, but he also missing the point.

Were we can make great gains in trade is with other
rich nations like in Europe and Japan and the key
to doing that is reducing taxes, spending and regulation.

However, he misses the point that "right wing"
opponents of NAFTA and GATT don't want general
protective tariffs. We are all for Free Trade
with other industrial nations, its this
open door with slave labor nations like China
that is the problem. We need tariffs on
goods form those type markets to offset the
slave labor advantage of China.

29 posted on 08/19/2003 10:41:46 AM PDT by Princeliberty
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To: luckydevi
A job is not a good or service; it can't be imported or exported. A job is an action, an act of doing a task.

The author is full of crap no matter how famous he is. A job is a service. That is exactly what it is.

30 posted on 08/19/2003 10:42:06 AM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: luckydevi
Walter Williams is using statistics from 1996 to base his argument. Talk about misleading, this is downright dishonest.

Here are last year's deficits (2002):
http://usembassy.state.gov/tokyo/wwwh20030221a2.html

Western Europe -89,218 157,080 246,298

Pacific Rim -215,005 178,561 393,567
China -103,115 22,053 125,168

http://money.cnn.com/2003/02/20/news/economy/trade_deficit/
"For the third year in a row, the greatest trade gap, by country, was with China, $103B in 2002.
February 20, 2003: 6:46 PM EST
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. trade deficit unexpectedly jumped 10.6 percent in December to a record $44.2 billion, as the ravenous U.S. demand for imports continued to grow and exports slumped, the government said Thursday."

"Trade Deficit Provides China With More Than Economic Advantages"
http://www.tradealert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=864

"China Trade: High Time for a Change in US Policy"
http://www.tradealert.org/view_art.asp?Prod_ID=874
31 posted on 08/19/2003 10:42:29 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: Euro-American Scum
Maybe I am naive (wouldn't be the first time) but I believe in President Bush, and think he is getting some bad advice from those around him on this issue. We need to keep banging the drum on this, writing our elected officials, etc.
32 posted on 08/19/2003 10:42:32 AM PDT by fortaydoos
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To: lelio
Lelio, you've heard the expression "chump change" ? It is how an underpaid person contemptuously describes his salary.

Do you know where it came from ? As deindustrialization hit urban America, legitamite job opportunities in the ghetto dried up. They seemed puny and next to the much larger sums that could be gotten dealing drugs. To a drug dealer, an honest salary was "chump change".

That is the kind of social demoralization that deindustrialization triggered, where honest labor was for underpaid "chumps" and law abiding people and values could not hold their own against hustling street culture.

I keep pointing out that consequence of deindustrialization to free traitor types but they never answer me. They don't because they can't.
33 posted on 08/19/2003 10:44:09 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: Tokhtamish
Do you know where it came from ? As deindustrialization hit urban America, legitamite job opportunities in the ghetto dried up. They seemed puny and next to the much larger sums that could be gotten dealing drugs. To a drug dealer, an honest salary was "chump change".

Truth!!! Urban areas in the NorthEast used to be full of light industry that employed people of all races. On the highway to Manhattan you saw the huge neon sign for Swingline staplers etc. etc.  My dad owned a light industry. Sheet metal.

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34 posted on 08/19/2003 10:53:01 AM PDT by dennisw (G_d is at war with Amalek for all generations)
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To: luckydevi
As usual Walter is right.

Tort lawyers dramatically increase the price of insurance. Our non-productive goobermint at all levels spends more than half of national gross income. The alphabet soup agencies continually find ways to hamstring and bankrupt businesses.

Outsourcing overseas makes all those things somebody else's problem.

There is a trend in business to "concentrate on your core competency", which tends to make businesses single level as opposed to vertically integrated. Our customers used to do for themselves what we now do for them. And as we don't do it at cost, any profit we make used to have been theirs. Added to that is the fact they once controlled their own destiny and priorities - now they don't.

American management has become a wasteland of butt kissers and petty bean counters. I could save money on heating if I lit a wall on fire, one at a time, and controlled the blaze. Unfortunately pretty soon I wouldn't have a house left. Same thing with the "core competency" clowns. Their focus will be so narrow and their operation so "streamlined" that any jackass can compete with them.

So it will be with idiots providing "customer service" from India.

So far the replies on this thread seem to be more emotional than factual. How about trying to deal with the arguments?
35 posted on 08/19/2003 10:55:54 AM PDT by jimt
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To: Jack Wilson
Your welcome. Get it to politicians from dgcatcher to President. I do not give a rat's behind about any credit I just want results. tell your friends and neighbors get tehm to innundate the politicians.
36 posted on 08/19/2003 10:56:02 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: dennisw

Did somebody say Swingline stapler?

37 posted on 08/19/2003 11:00:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jimt
Agreed. Good post
38 posted on 08/19/2003 11:00:30 AM PDT by luckydevi
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To: Tokhtamish
Walter Williams has written a really dishonest article using statistics from 1996. He has ignored the dangers of "free" trade with Communist China. He ignored the arguments made by other economists. And, he didn't even mention the costs to Black Americans.

Job losses hit blacks hard
Many `feel frozen out of work world'
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-0308170258aug17,0,7316700.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Blacks Lose Better Jobs Faster as Middle-Class Work Drops
http://us.cnn.com/2003/US/07/12/nyt.uchitelle/
39 posted on 08/19/2003 11:04:03 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: jimt
As usual Walter is right.

On some things he is correct on others far from it.

Tort lawyers dramatically increase the price of insurance. Our non-productive goobermint at all levels spends more than half of national gross income. The alphabet soup agencies continually find ways to hamstring and bankrupt businesses.

See my proposed solution above it is a package deal.

Outsourcing overseas makes all those things somebody else's problem. See above

There is a trend in business to "concentrate on your core competency", which tends to make businesses single level as opposed to vertically integrated. Our customers used to do for themselves what we now do for them. And as we don't do it at cost, any profit we make used to have been theirs. Added to that is the fact they once controlled their own destiny and priorities - now they don't.

My only real difference of opinion with you here is usually most companies did not account for profit for support functions now outsourced whether domestically or overseas. Thus Data Processing was always seen as just an expense. It was not seen as a contibutor to profit by supporting teh unique business approach to teh market and providing market advantage for actual sales, production or decision making. A minor point but I think a significant one.

American management has become a wasteland of butt kissers and petty bean counters. I could save money on heating if I lit a wall on fire, one at a time, and controlled the blaze. Unfortunately pretty soon I wouldn't have a house left. Same thing with the "core competency" clowns. Their focus will be so narrow and their operation so "streamlined" that any jackass can compete with them.

No argument.

So it will be with idiots providing "customer service" from India.

Then there will be a fortune to be made cleaning u the mess but in the interim is is not merely India it si also China with its 70% tariffs on US goods and many otehr diasterous trade policies.

So far the replies on this thread seem to be more emotional than factual. How about trying to deal with the arguments?

Well I can not argue for others but other tahn a ping I have kept to issues.

40 posted on 08/19/2003 11:05:40 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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