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Canada: MP Group Sought U.S. Help To Derail Pot Bill
Globe and Mail ^ | August 19, 2003 | Brian Laghi

Posted on 08/19/2003 8:39:25 AM PDT by Wolfie

MP Group Sought U.S. Help To Derail Pot Bill

Ottawa -- A group of back-bench Liberals privately tried to enlist the U.S. deputy drug czar last month to help stop federal plans to decriminalize marijuana, a memo from a Canadian official in the meeting says. The memo, which comes out of a July 8 gathering in Ottawa with Dr. Barry Crane and other U.S. officials, says the MPs expressed deep concern about the bill and wanted the United States to stop it. In interviews yesterday, MPs who were there denied the suggestions.

According to minutes of the meeting, a written copy of which was seen by The Globe and Mail, one of the MPs said the U.S. drug officials could help halt the bill by warning Canada about potential difficulties at the border and with trade if it were passed.

Another MP was quoted as saying that Dr. Crane and his officials should return to Washington to tell their superiors that they should make the consequences of passing the legislation clear to Canada.

The meeting took place at the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa.

"All attendees were highly critical of the proposed cannabis reform bill," said the memo, whose author's name is blocked out.

"The apparent aim of the members of the meeting was to solicit the help of U.S. officials to defeat the cannabis reform bill. Members expressed many now-familiar concerns with the proposal (no provision for repeat offenders, sends the wrong message, lack of driving test, etc.)."

The memo says that MP Dan McTeague, who helped organize the effort, told Dr. Crane to tell his boss "that he needed to be clear with Canada about the consequences of this action. This view was particularly expressed by [MP Brenda] Chamberlain, who appeared to suggest that U.S. officials needed to tie trade and border issues to this bill in order to defeat it."

The director of Dr. Crane's office is John Walters.

The memo said that Mr. McTeague conveyed "the obvious implication that the only thing that would stop it was U.S. influence."

Mr. McTeague also gave the U.S. officials a written memo that catalogued inadequacies in the bill, the memo said.

A Canadian Foreign Affairs official who attended the meeting made the notes, a source who would not give the person's name said.

The memo said that two Foreign Affairs officials were at the meeting at the beginning, but that Mr. McTeague asked one to leave and appeared to be unaware of the second.

Mr. McTeague, who has deep difficulties with the proposal, confirmed that some concern was expressed at the meeting, but said its main goal was to exchange views on the bill.

"It think the [meeting] was very productive. It talked very abundantly and very openly about the limitations as enforcement currently exists. We talked about the amount [of marijuana] that would be generated -- given the minister's own admission there would be an increase in its use -- and that the THC level of the product coming come from Canada, that this was having an impact." (THC, tetrahydrocannabinol, is marijuana's active ingredient.)

Mr. McTeague denied saying that Dr. Crane should tell his bosses about the consequences of passing the bill.

"That doesn't sound right. I don't know who wrote that," he said. "I wouldn't have to say something like that, I've been very clear as to what I believe are the concerns." He called the notes "nonsense."

"The frank reality is that members of Parliament -- several members of Parliament -- have a keen interest in this issue. . . . The last thing that I want to do is to have a situation which goes from bad to worse, such that it would see the tightening of the borders."

Mr. McTeague did acknowledge asking one of the Foreign Affairs officials to leave, saying the meeting was for MPs only.

MP Roger Gallaway, who was also at the meeting, said he didn't recall Mr. McTeague making the statements that the memo attributes to him, nor did anyone else say anything controversial.

He said the presence of a Foreign Affairs official likely would have constrained MPs.

He also said that if Ms. Chamberlain uttered anything akin to the remarks that appeared in the memo, it was in an aside to her MP colleagues and to the U.S. officials.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: addiction; drugwar; liberdopian; wodlist
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1 posted on 08/19/2003 8:39:26 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Last month? Factions of both governments have been using those talking points since this started.
2 posted on 08/19/2003 8:47:44 AM PDT by steve50
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To: Wolfie; *Wod_list; jmc813
Pretty pathetic---"Please come bully our country into line with our minority view."
3 posted on 08/19/2003 9:37:03 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Wolfie
A group of back-bench Liberals privately tried to enlist the U.S. deputy drug czar last month to help stop federal plans to decriminalize marijuana, a memo from a Canadian official in the meeting says

I'm somewhat confused about this....does the word "liberal" mean something different in the Great White North?

If not, some of our most cherished and lovable WOD FReepers are liberals.

4 posted on 08/19/2003 10:32:19 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill (We're after power and we mean it..)
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To: MrLeRoy
Pretty pathetic---"Please come bully our country into line with our minority view."

Yup.  Just as pathetic as our Supreme Court citing foreign rulings in coming to decisions.
5 posted on 08/19/2003 11:22:39 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: MrLeRoy
how much longer, till legislation gets out on this
6 posted on 08/19/2003 12:50:49 PM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: MrLeRoy
how much longer, till legislation gets out on this
7 posted on 08/19/2003 12:51:19 PM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: vin-one
sorry for the double post, double post........
8 posted on 08/19/2003 12:52:29 PM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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To: Wolfie; vin-one; WindMinstrel; philman_36; Beach_Babe; jenny65; AUgrad; Xenalyte; Bill D. Berger; ..
WOD Ping
9 posted on 08/19/2003 1:35:22 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: ActionNewsBill
If not, some of our most cherished and lovable WOD FReepers are liberals.

Several of 'em are well nkown on FR as gun-grabbers.

10 posted on 08/19/2003 1:56:08 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Liberals everywhere want to save you from yourself.
11 posted on 08/19/2003 4:06:47 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: MrLeRoy
"Pretty pathetic---"Please come bully our country into line with our minority view."

You're right. When making a decision like this, the Canadian parliment has no need to know how the U.S. will react to the wording of the measure.

Damn the consequences!

12 posted on 08/20/2003 6:53:28 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
When making a decision like this, the Canadian parliment has no need to know how the U.S. will react to the wording of the measure.

Red herring. The very first words of the article make it clear that this was baout much more than 'know how the U.S. will react':

"A group of back-bench Liberals privately tried to enlist the U.S. deputy drug czar last month to help stop federal plans to decriminalize marijuana".

13 posted on 08/20/2003 11:59:18 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
That is one side of the story.
14 posted on 08/20/2003 12:33:28 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"That is one side of the story."

And since it involves members of the Liberal Party of Canada, you can bet there are several sides, all profitable.
15 posted on 08/20/2003 12:36:58 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: robertpaulsen
That is one side of the story.

LOL! And I suppose that the accounts of "Baghdad Jim" McDermott's attempts to save Saddam's ass were just "one side of the story".

16 posted on 08/20/2003 12:45:31 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: headsonpikes; steve-b
Update. The MPs are copping to it.

OTTAWA -- A Liberal MP who met with the U.S. deputy drug czar about Canada's plan to decriminalize marijuana acknowledged yesterday encouraging him to amplify his concern to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about how the bill could harm cross-border traffic.

17 posted on 08/20/2003 12:50:25 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: robertpaulsen
That is one side of the story.

See post #17.

18 posted on 08/20/2003 1:42:33 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy
"Brenda Chamberlain, who attended the meeting with a handful of other MPs, said that the members were not asking Barry Crane to lean on the federal government to halt the bill. Rather, Ms. Chamberlain said she wanted Mr. Crane to reaffirm what the consequences of the bill might be."

The above is from post #17.

You said the intent was to stop; this just confirms that the intent is to inform.

I'm right, you're wrong, what's new.

19 posted on 08/20/2003 2:32:05 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Lap up that government spin.

Can you snap treats off your nose, too?
20 posted on 08/20/2003 2:54:52 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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