Surprise eulogy for Lee (Abolitionist gave unexpected speech about the general)

kypost ^ | 08-18-2003 | Jim Reis

[Grand Old Partisan]

Mastery over blacks has always been the foremost policy of the Democratic Party.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Thanks for setting the record straight -- that Robert Lee joined the Confederate army and that rebels shot at a U.S. Army installation in Charleston, South Carolina because the garrison had been murdering, raping, and lotting in certain States.

[stainlessbanner]

Someday you'll snap out of your revisionist stupor, Partisan.

[Grand Old Partisan]

My loyalty will always be to the United States of America, in oppostion to people who revere killers of U. S. soldiers in the past or advocate killing them now and in the future.

[stainlessbanner]

I'll take my stand with fellow Americans and brothers-in-arms from North, South, East, & West, thank you.

We don't need divisions in our patriotism or those who advocate in-fighting.

[Grand Old Partisan]

The Confederate rebels whom you revere were not brothers-in-arms of U. S. soldiers, but their killers. I suggest you follow James Longstreet's example and snap out of your rebellious stupor.

[stainlessbanner]

The Confederate rebels whom you revere were not brothers-in-arms of U. S. soldiers

Your showing your ignorance of history again. Look up the relationships between George W. Randolph, Pickens, Lee, Johnston, Grant, President Tyler, Turner Ashby, Armistead, Custer, Hancock, Longstreet, etc.

[wasp69]

Thanks for setting the record straight -- that Robert Lee joined the Confederate army and that rebels shot at a U.S. Army installation in Charleston, South Carolina because the garrison had been murdering, raping, and lotting in certain States.

And still you bring nothing to the discussion. You can find nothing in the man's character, save the fact that General Lee turned down command of the entire Union Army and thus refused to march on his neighbors and citizens of Virginia, so we get more cheapshots. It may help you to do some research and understand that General Lee, and many other Confederate Generals, rejected President Davis's order of guerilla warfare when Richmond fell. To compare his character with the actions of the Godless heathens in Iraq shows a lack of honesty, research, and understanding of history on your part. But feel free to keep those cute little quips coming; you only expose your own ignorance and baseless bias.

[Grand Old Partisan]

Many Confederate rebels were indeed members of the U.S. military before the war, but they stopped being brothers-in-arms to U. S. soldiers when they started killing them.

[stainlessbanner]

The Confederate rebels whom you revere were not brothers-in-arms of U. S. soldiers, but their killers

Wrong.

 

The Marker reads:

"Armistead (Masonic Emblem) Hancock Friends and Fellow Officers in the United States Army prior to 1861.

The fate of the Civil War made them foes on the Battlefield at Gettysburg. Confederate Brig. General Lewis A. Armistead and Union Major General Winfield S. Hancock were both wounded in Longstreet's assault, Pickett's Charge, July 3, 1863.

Here at the Union Army 11th Corps Field Hospital, George Spangler Farm, Armistead died of his wounds on July 5, 1863. Northwest of the Marker is the site where Hancock was initially treated for his wounds. Hancock survived the War and became a well known military, political and civil leader.

He died on active military duty at Governor's Island, New York on February 9, 1886."

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[Grand Old Partisan]

Jefferson Davis did not order guerrilla warfare, to which he was in fact strongly opposed. Said he: ""Guerrillas soon become brigands, and any government is better than that."

Throughout American history, killers of U. S. soldiers have come up with all sorts of reasons to excuse their crimes, but what they all have in common is killing U. S. soldiers.

[stainlessbanner]

they stopped being brothers-in-arms to U. S. soldiers when they started killing them.

Incorrect. Rather than post all the examples throughout the war, I kindly recommend that you read some first hand accounts of the war.

[wasp69]

Jefferson Davis did not order guerrilla warfare, to which he was in fact strongly opposed.

Wrong again. I present to you the proclamation of President Davis of 4 April 1865, written in Danville, VA:

Relieved from the necessity of guarding cities and particular points, important but not vital to our defense, with an army free to move from point to point and strike in Detail the detachments and garrisons of the enemy, operating on the interior of our own country, where supplies are more accessible, and where the foe will be far removed from his own base and cut off from all succor in case of reverse....

You can read it for yourself here. You can also read here an editorial from the New York Times that was written 50 years after General Lee surrendered. The author was very clear on General Lee's decision to not follow that order was probably the one greatest saving grace for the US. To think that a New York Times editorial author had the nerve to praise the very man that you cannot even find a decent shred of anything to convict him with.

Throughout American history, killers of U. S. soldiers have come up with all sorts of reasons to excuse their crimes...

First and foremost, General Lee was never convicted of anything. Not war crimes, not treason, nothing. I have found, on the other hand, many attempts at excusing the practice of bringing wholesale destruction to non combattants and their property. It must do you proud to insult a man who court martialed two men for picking vegetables out of a garden in Pennsylvania and try to give a pass to those who not only stole food but killed livestock, killed civilians, and burned their homes. Bully for you.

[tanknetter]

why do 90 % of the blacks vote for Democrats to this very day at every chance they get since the civil war my Republican savior?

Not sure if I'm misreading your comment or not, but my understanding of history is that blacks were overwhelmingly pro-GOP during and after the Civil War and all the way up to FDR. FDR's welfare policies started the movement of them into the Democratic Party, a trend that continued through Truman's presidency and plateaued during Eisenhower's.

The true "lock down" of the black vote as Democratic came in the 1960 presidential election, when JFK made all nice-nice with MLK Jr. (who had been jailed) and Big Daddy Hollywood Joe dumped a TON of walking-money into the pockets of the black clergy. Nixon miscalculated, figured he'd maintain Ike's % of the black vote, and didn't do the same ....

[Corin Stormhands]

Southerners would not be Americans if the United States had not won the Civil War.

Outside of the fact that you ingore the Northern Americans of Canada, the Central Americans and the South Americans, you continue to fail to realize that, if not for the South, there would be no United States and no Republican Majority.

[bjs1779]

Not sure if I'm misreading your comment or not,

That is okay, I said that to trip up Grand old partisn. As you can see from his response, he has no clue to what happened in history.

Nixon miscalculated, figured he'd maintain Ike's % of the black vote, and didn't do the same ....

Trickey Dick did okay with the blacks IMO. He got 32% of the black vote in 1960. Ike got 36% in 1956. Daley and Cook county did him in.

[bjs1779]

Throughout American history, killers of U. S. soldiers have come up with all sorts of reasons to excuse their crimes, but what they all have in common is killing U. S. soldiers.

U.S Soldiers murdering and raping and burning and stealing in the South during the Civil War hardly forgives them for exterminating the American Indians with joy my SS friend.

[GOPcapitalist]

That Robert Lee joined the Confederate army and that rebels shot at a U.S. Army installation in Charleston, South Carolina because the garrison had been murdering, raping, and lotting in certain States

Actually, Lee did not join the CSA army until after Lincoln had called for an army of his own to invade the seceding states (which led to the rape, murder, and looting) and explicitly cited Lincoln's plan for invasion as his reason for doing so. They fired on Fort Sumter because a fleet of naval vessles was fast approaching Charleston harbor with direct orders to fight their way in and drop off troops at the fort for use against South Carolina. Just as we took out Saddam's government before it could attack our people, the confederates acted preemptively at Fort Sumter before they had more of Lincoln's troops shooting at them.

[4CJ]

To think that a New York Times editorial author had the nerve to praise the very man that you cannot even find a decent shred of anything to convict him with.

Bump for the truth.

[Grand Old Partisan]

If Confederate rebels had resorted to guerrilla warfare they would have been slaughtered in no time by the U.S. Army, and they knew it.

By 1865, the southern economy was no longer able to support an insurgency.

The mountainous areas of Appalachia and the Ozarks, where guerrillas would presumably run around, were predominately Unionist.

Guerrillas would have had no way to keep control over slaves, which was the reason they went to war in the first place.

The terms of surrender offered by the Lincoln administration -- no hangings, etc. -- were too tempting to decline.

Faced with white guerrillas, the U.S. Army would have turned the 200,000 blacks and 100,000 southern whites in the U.S. Army into a very effective counterinsurgency force, which backed by the rest of the U. S. Army, would have slaughtered any guerrrilla wannabes.