[VadeRetro]

Might as well mention, regarding your other claims, that A and I (or B and I for that matter) don't look the same to me, nor do I and J look unbreachably different. There is nothing magical in your arbitrary lumpings.

Furthermore, different creationists (or even the same creationist at different times) produce different arbitrary lumpings from the same data. The game, of course, is to say that everything HERE is "An ape! Just an ape!" but everything THERE is "A man! Just a man!" So where is the line drawn?

All over the map.

Creationist Classifications of Hominid Fossils

Specimen		Cuozzo (1998)	Gish (1985)	Mehlert (1996)	Bowden (1981) Menton (1988) Taylor (1992) Gish (1979)	Baker (1976) Taylor and Van Bebber (1995)	Taylor (1996) Lubenow (1992)
	ER 1813 (510 cc)	Ape	Ape	Ape	Ape	Ape	Ape
	Java (940 cc)	Ape	Ape	Human	Ape	Ape	Human
	Peking (915- 1225 cc)	Ape	Ape	Human	Ape	Human	Human
	ER 1470 (750 cc)	Ape	Ape	Ape	Human	Human	Human
	ER 3733 (850 cc)	Ape	Human	Human	Human	Human	Human
	WT 15000 (880 cc)	Ape	Human	Human	Human	Human	Human

[Ahban]

As far as "creationists" lumping the same fossils in different groups, I will make a deal with you. Don't try to pin me with the baggage from anyone claiming to be a creationist, especially YECs whose interpretations of the evidence I do not share, and I will not pin you with the baggage of all those historical characters who were big on evolution in their personal philosophy.

Since some of those people were the bloodiest tyrants in history, I am sure you can concede that this is a more than fair offer on my part. You are no more responsible for their positions than I am for that of Gish or some other YEC. OK?

I will defend MY positions, or that of a creationist in which I have some measure of trust, like Dr. Hugh Ross and F. Rana. They would say all of those critters were big-brained hominids, but it takes more than that to make a human. They would argue that the archeology and DNA results rule out all of those critters from being human.

Further, all who have read the book "Bones of Contention" know that evolutionists have the exact same problem. There are arguments over classification ("lumpers" and "splitters").