Feed dealer outbids Wal-Mart for fair pig

Country today ^ | 8-16-03 | Dana Pronschinske

[Texas_Dawg]

By the way the exact nature of teh subsidy depends upon whether a price is higher or lower to the end consumer. Price supports clearly make the price higher direct supports to say a farmer producing a comodity will tend to make teh price to teh consumer by hencouraging teh farmer to produce more at the higher than market compensation he recieves while making the ultimate commodity price lower.

Sigh... let's try it this way. Do tariffs on imported goods raise the sales prices on those goods?

[bert]

....What would Wal-Mart want with a $3,500 pig? Breeding?....

The Walmart in question wants to recognize excellance by rewarding a hard working girl. The feed store did the same. The pig will be transformed into bacon.

Walmart bashers don't understand the year is 2003, not 1963. The world is a different place and will never be the same.

[Just another Joe]

and has created far more American businesses of people selling to it, shipping to it, advertising for it, etc, etc, than it has ever destroyed.

Figures?

[bert]

....What would Wal-Mart want with a $3,500 pig? Breeding?....

The Walmart in question wants to recognize excellance by rewarding a hard working girl. The feed store did the same. The pig will be transformed into bacon.

Walmart bashers don't understand the year is 2003, not 1963. The world is a different place and will never be the same.

[Just another Joe]

FYI

Wal-Mart alone is the largest importer of Chinese-manufactured goods in the world; it contracts with thousands of factories there.

In February of 2002, the world's largest chain retailer Wal-Mart moved its global purchase center to Shenzhen, a boomtown in south China's Guangdong Province.

62 percent of all shoes and sneakers imported to the United States are made in China. So are 83 percent of all toys and sporting goods, 54 percent of all leather products, 76 percent of all umbrellas, 30 percent of all furniture, and one in four caps and hats.

Which means that the percentage of these products sold by Wal-Mart is probably higher than the averages imported by the US since Wal-Mart is, "the largest importer of Chinese-manufactured goods in the world".

[UncleDudley]

$63B worth of sales in the past 3 months, jobs for over 1.3 million Americans, stock profits and increased wealth for 10s of millions more Americans.

Is a trade agreement with a murderous slave state worth $63 billion to you? Goes to show, we in the USA have the best government money can buy.

[Just another Joe]

Here's a little article that covers how I feel about this subject in general.

"United We Stand" ….. Are We?

[fortaydoos]

You got it.

[Texas_Dawg]

Is a trade agreement with a murderous slave state worth $63 billion to you?

Nice try, but as we know, you and every other paleo don't give a flip about those people in China. Since America began trading with China, the average Chinese have gained more freedoms and increasingly better off (though still far from free). China still has miles to go and is a terrible government but with trade, people there are much better off than before (when 40 million died in one decade alone). You are not opposed to trade with China out of any concern whatsoever for those people. You are opposed to it because trade with China threatens a few precious jobs of people who fit your qualifications for being "good Americans" (unlike the dirt poor Americans and Chinese who get shafted under your economic plan).

[harpseal]

Sigh... let's try it this way. Do tariffs on imported goods raise the sales prices on those goods?

Of course they do that is what protects the Free Market in this Country from foreign interference. Foreign subsoiiies to the export of their products may artifically lower the price in the American market in order to destroy American competition in the future. This is reaslly not all that difficult.

Your problem is equating a tariff with a subsidy which it is not. A tariff is a measure to protect the free market a subsidy is a measure by government to interfere with the Free Market. Now a tariff may cause a price increase a price support subsidy may caiuse a price increase but a direct subsidy to a producer will usually result in a consumer price decrease.

By the way how are you coming on your search or are you backing out on posting a link to a regession analyisis shopwing tariffs are harmful to the USA?

[harpseal]

Nice try, but as we know, you and every other paleo don't give a flip about those people in China.

Well lets say those who support tariffs care more about their fellow citizens than the leadership of the PRC.

Since America began trading with China, the average Chinese have gained more freedoms and increasingly better off (though still far from free).

Well America began trading with China as soon as there was an America but we will limit this discussion with the PRC. when China decided to move towards some limited capitalism policy the instituted tariffs as one of the first steps to protect their market from outside interference and becaus e tehy saw a protective tariff policy with any capitalism as teh way to deveop and prosper based upon teh history of capitalist nations such as the USA.

China still has miles to go and is a terrible government but with trade, people there are much better off than before (when 40 million died in one decade alone).

It was not a lack of trade taht killed them it was the Communist goveernment.

You are not opposed to trade with China out of any concern whatsoever for those people. You are opposed to it because trade with China threatens a few precious jobs of people who fit your qualifications for being "good Americans" (unlike the dirt poor Americans and Chinese who get shafted under your economic plan).

Oh now Free trade is for the dirt poor. talk about slipping into Marxist rhetoric. You are becoming really disappointing and this post for playing the race card and using the Marxist rhetoric might just earn you a place in Rainbow Push. I expect the race card from jesse Jackson I do not expect it from someone who calls them selves a conservative. If you wish you can aleays contact the admin moderator and withdraw your post and I will consent to have mine withdrawn since it is a response. You are actually one of the few free traitors who can actually try to discuss issues without just calling names. It has taken a while to train you to do more than just bark inchoerently. I would suggest you ask for teh removal and try a more logical reasoned approach.

[Texas_Dawg]

Me: Do tariffs on imported goods raise the sales prices on those goods?

You: Of course they do

Thanks, that's all I need to know. How noble of you to protect your friends by taxing the poor (and everyone else).

[harpseal]

Thanks, that's all I need to know. How noble of you to protect your friends by taxing the poor (and everyone else).

Gee you sound jsut like a Democrat criticizing the evil Republicans who don't care about teh poor.

[Bluntpoint]

Can you buy an American made version of one these at your local stores?

[Texas_Dawg]

Gee you sound jsut like a Democrat criticizing the evil Republicans who don't care about teh poor.

Nope. Just showing you how bogus your claims to care for "the little man" are. I support free market capitalism because it works.

[Bluntpoint]

Here is the last pig I bought at Walmart. Not very pretty is it? Pretty soon, this is going to be the only kind of pig a person can buy after Walmart corners the pig market.

[Bluntpoint]

A chinese pig boy and sweat shop worker.

[Bluntpoint]

America still has children working in bacon making sweat shops!

[harpseal]

Nope. Just showing you how bogus your claims to care for "the little man" are. I support free market capitalism because it works.

You are still sounding like a Democrat. The difference between you and I are are you want to give something to "the little man," at the expense of teh rest of America. I am merely stating that every American should live in a nation where teh business opportiunities are such that no one is a "little man forever" becuase they can woith hard work and effort succeed.

Clearly you do not believe in Free Markjet Capitalism because one of its tenets as defined by Adamm Smith is protective Tariffs in four cicumstances. Your tyone is Marxist you do not support what is originally defined as Free market Capitalism. You brought up the poor Chinese. You played the race card. You caled others names without evidence you have yet to come up with any evidence for youyr contrention tariffs are harmful and have seeminly ignored my challenge and you have yet to point out a flaw in the regession analysis I provided you.

Now just based on this evidence from this thread anyone would be totally justified in cocluding you are merely a Marxist who cares no more for America than the Kim Jong Il. Yet I have corresponded enough with you that I will merely consider it that you are having a bad day because you see a mathematical proof of a case that goes directly against what you believe and can not find a refutation. you do not have an inherent right to tresspass on another's property in teh name of Free market Capitalism and you do not have an inherent right to bring anything into teh United States of America from a foreign nation. See Article 1 of our Constitution. The Constitution was in fact perciueved as needed to provide tariffs that would foster industry and if one reads the debate of the first Congress under that Constitution a protective tariff camer as tehir SecondAct after passing a Bill of Rights for ratification by the states.

Now I suggest you get a good nights sleep and maybe we can conduct a discussion of issues in the morning without your resorting to Marxst tactics and rhetorric.

[Texas_Dawg]

You are still sounding like a Democrat. The difference between you and I are are you want to give something to "the little man," at the expense of teh rest of America. I am merely stating that every American should live in a nation where teh business opportiunities are such that no one is a "little man forever" becuase they can woith hard work and effort succeed.

Haha. That is great. "Freedom is slavery!"